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Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

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Re: Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

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Lightning - a fast, instant, bitcoin layer 2 network - is perfectly sufficient for micropayments. Volatility is a no-issue in this case, as you can freely trade the 5 cents in realtime into other assets and minimize holding time of BTC. You will loose the spread, ofc.

the problem with lightning is: 1) it requires you to open a lightning channel. So you need some amount of initial investment (which usually means you need a credit card and an account on a bitcoin exchange), not just any computer which is the issue that using mining shares solves. The initial investment is my main grudge, as it is way too much friction for 402 Payment Required applications. Also as bitcoiners like sz…

1) is not a problem because you can chose a custodial wallet and not deal with anything - just as any bank account is also a custodial wallet. And when you pay anything online with credit card, it sure as hell is also not private or non-custodial.

2) it is at least as private as cash. If you withdraw cash from an ATM, the serial numbers are linked to your account. But you can simply spend that cash and obtain it from people you know and transact with, in which case it is private. So yes, if you acquire lightning from an exchange, it is not private. But those lightning transfers you receive outside from an exchance, are untraceable and private. And where you send/spend them too is always private and untraceable.

I am not opening libertierian and freedom-of-money discussions, it is all about being able to facilitate micropayments over the internet. In contrast to traditional banking and credit cards, lightning serves that purpose quite well because it is decentralized because it is based on bitcoin.

Re: Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

#122

It is time for micropayments integrated in the browser. Pay 5 cents to access each bug report. Not fun, it shouldn't be like this, but better than not having a bugtracker at all.

Fine, but you have the invest in the CPU to determine if the payment was made. That's a cost on you, not the scraper. If the scraper bangs on that payment door 1000x you've spent a fair chunk of CPU looking for valid cookies, query the redis/valkey and DB to manage payment auth.

You're not wrong, it is time the scraper pays, but you're going to have to fund it still.

I don't claim to have a better answer.

I want a perfect solution that is free, putting pages up used to be free, now it isn't.

Re: Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

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And then it's pushed on the end users with the same amount of explanation and reason. You must adopt this now . The FOMO is insane.

> The FOMO is insane. do we have the same understanding of what fomo means?

I'm talking about managerial AI-induced psychosis and/or FOMO. Make the underlings use it so they can tell the shareholders that AI is making great strides.

Re: Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

#124

It is time for micropayments integrated in the browser. Pay 5 cents to access each bug report. Not fun, it shouldn't be like this, but better than not having a bugtracker at all.

there is a captcha type thing you can implement in javascript that forces them to do math, I never remember what it's called but it has some anime catgirl as the logo, I imagine you could modify that a bit to make them mine bitcoin or something.

Re: Gentoo bugzilla closed due AI bot scraper overload

#125

Corrected title: "Gentoo bugzilla closed because the guy running it, who says it is 'unusable anyway', saw a lot of traffic from different IP addresses with no clear pattern and accuses AI"

This got modded down to oblivion, but let me just copy and paste the first line of the tweet:

  I've taken #Gentoo Bugzilla down, because it was unusable anyway. 
  No point in feeding the #LLM scrapers that are using thousands of different IPv4 addresses, with no obvious patterns I can see.
Now you might try to interpret what he said as the LLM scrapers made it unusable, but apparently it was usable to the scrapers as he turned it off to stop feeding them. If he can actually attribute the traffic to LLM scrapes, then he can use that same method to identify their requests and block them or shape (slow) their traffic.

He then says not to tell him how to fix it because he doesn't care.

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