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Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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Just make sure you move to Actual Seattle and not the sprawling suburbs. As someone who has used PhoneFactor for a few years, thanks, congrats, and welcome to Seattle soon!

Thanks, good to hear it. Alas, we'll probably land in the burbs for all the usual uninteresting reasons. But it won't hurt to have the right people seeing Gb internet across the lake.

For what usual uninteresting reasons?

All the reasons that people move to the 'burbs are (a) sociologically interesting and (b) irrelevant on an acquihire salary.

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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Little known fact - income derived from sales to people outside WA is no subject to B&O tax. An Internet startup will likely have only 2% of their users in WA, and so only that much is subject to B&O tax. This is not a tax advice, consult a competent accountant.

The issue is purchasing services within WA -- those services will be marked up due to B&O (tax pyramiding). the 0.5-1% rate on final sales is inconsequential; it's the tax pyramiding on every purchase before that. Admittedly it matters a whole lot less for a startup than for a purely local business (say a coffee shop who buys bread locally which is made from facilities, staff, and multiple other inputs, each of which…

I don't get it.

When I am shopping for hosting services or hardware, I am shopping across entire country, I don't care if the vendors had to markup this or that, and I don't have to buy local, and vendors don't mark up their prices based on my location within US.

When selling, I am paying tax only on sales to WA residents, which is like 1% of my world-wide sales, and on those I am paying like 0.5% gross receipts tax. So it's 0.005% tax rate total.

How did you end up with "for a software/internet startup who buys hosting from a single provider only, it is probably more like a 3-4% income tax." ???

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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In 5-10 years maybe. Now virtually all sites are slower than a ~ 10-50 mbs connection so having all that extra bandwidth doesn't help you at all. That's the reality.

The Internet is more than the World Wide Web.

For what % of people? We should assume that bigger pipes cost more money, at least they do now, so why should Jack and Jill pay for 1Gig/s when a 5-10-20 mbps is more they need? Cable seems to have no problem bringing movies through the old copper wires.

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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Exactly, the summer only lasts for July and August. November to February it rains non-stop, and every other month is hit or miss. You can't really plan any trips because those clouds come out of nowhere. And that was the worst part. I would wake up and the sun is shining. I decide to go ride some trails on my bike, half way to the location it starts to rain. Plans ruined.

Those two months are the best summer you'll find anywhere. When I moved to SF, I missed them dearly. SF summers are terrible, and I found three of them more depressing than seven rainy winters in Seattle ever were. I'll also take nonstop rain from Nov-Feb any day over the snowy winters in the Midwestern states where I grew up. Finally, the key to not letting your plans get ruined by rain is to always plan for the pos…

Yes, Seattle summers are beautiful. 10 months of rain makes for a very green summer. :)

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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The issue is purchasing services within WA -- those services will be marked up due to B&O (tax pyramiding). the 0.5-1% rate on final sales is inconsequential; it's the tax pyramiding on every purchase before that. Admittedly it matters a whole lot less for a startup than for a purely local business (say a coffee shop who buys bread locally which is made from facilities, staff, and multiple other inputs, each of which…

I don't get it. When I am shopping for hosting services or hardware, I am shopping across entire country, I don't care if the vendors had to markup this or that, and I don't have to buy local, and vendors don't mark up their prices based on my location within US. When selling, I am paying tax only on sales to WA residents, which is like 1% of my world-wide sales, and on those I am paying like 0.5% gross receipts tax.…

Most businesses buy a lot of products and services locally. It is infeasible for your garbage collection service or other utilities to be sourced from outside the local area, for a lot of goods there are licensing or transportation issues which make them local, etc.

Internet companies are a huge exception to normal businesses. (which is why they're so awesome and can turn into scalable startups so easily). Income tax is on profits, so if you have a low margin business, or an earlier startup business, you'd be paying low total income taxes even at the 3-4% rate., so a tiny B&O direct expense and higher costs for facilities, contractors, etc. translates to a much higher equivalent income tax rate.

B&O isn't a good argument against setting up your tech company in WA; it's just an unfair tax which penalizes some businesses (inherently local ones) while favoring others (prof services and internet). (the only good argument against tech startups in Seattle is the somewhat-smaller-than-Bay-Area pool of tech workers, largely better now than it was 10y ago when they were just Boeing and Microsoft, and the lack of great VCs (there are a few, but not the best in the world, and not many vs. SF, NYC, or Boston).

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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it is just getting better and better to live here in Seattle. Legalization of weed, same-sex marriage, and now high-speed internet

Putting high speed Internet (and weed, really) on the same level as marriage equality feels a little...cheap. But, I agree with your sentiment. I love living in Seattle.

Legalizing marijuana keeps people out of prison sentences which ruin their lives and strikes the first blow against the war on drugs, which is the greatest civil rights disaster of recent decades.

Marriage equality makes a little bit of legal paperwork more convenient and provides symbolic equality. An injustice, but a smaller one.

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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Better start packing up then! See this: http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2012/12/does-it-really-rain-al...

It doesn't rain all the time in Seattle, but it rains almost every day most of the year. When I lived in Seattle, I remember some months when the sky was gray 24/7. Crushing, relentless gray. It felt like living inside a concrete dome. :\

No, we used to have a concrete dome, and it didn't actually feel the same. It was much nicer inside the actual dome.

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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it is just getting better and better to live here in Seattle. Legalization of weed, same-sex marriage, and now high-speed internet

Fix that whole rain thing and I'll be there tomorrow.

It doesn't actually rain here. We just tell people that to keep out Californians.

Re: Seattle to deploy Gigabit fiber network

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Our (government owned) telco is building out an island-wide Gigabit network here in Jersey which is great. Problem is that it is capped at 50GB/month usage, which defeats the purpose. Actually using the connection's full capacity for about 5-6 minutes a month will result in overage charges. I'm hoping Seattle has a more realistic monthly cap, if one exists.

Sign-up page with plan details here: http://www.jtglobal.com/Jersey/Personal/JT-Fibre/Fibre-Tarif...

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