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Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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I find myself stuck on the fence with age checks. Companies have show that they are incapable or unwilling to address the problems they cause. And market forces are not working to correct things. It’s also pretty obvious that saying “parent should take responsibility” is also not working. Just observe the world around you to know it’s a non starter. This is where regulation is supposed to come in. At the same time, c…

Related recent discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49084938

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Why do we need to verify age? You can't tell me that these social media companies don't already know exactly how old someone is just based on the enormous data that is collected.

A big concern around age verification is that some people will be locked out because they can't prove their age. Your solution here has the same flaw, I think. If the algorithm thinks I'm underage, I'm locked out.

being locked out = less profit = firing management by shareholders

it will solve by consumers, don't worry

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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How would that make sense? If anything, I would imagine that Google's changes are motivated by driving traffic to their Google Play Store, where they make billions in commissions. Once this framework is in place for the Google Play Store, perhaps they can lobby for strict age verification laws, and then tell developers who publish outside of Google Play that they are responsible for compliance themselves.

It makes total sense. You here assume that this is only driven by Google. Once you include state actors, suddenly it makes sense. They gather more data now. Only verified users will be able to use the internet in unrestricted ways - that is what is new.

When there is a clear motivation to protect a $50B/year revenue stream, that seems to be the more likely explanation.

If it appeals to politicians who view "protect the children" and surveillance positively, that is a bonus.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Its the same thing with Europe allowing scans of private chats now. Nobody would tolerate a person opening the letters from ur physical mail box and reading through each of them just to see if you do [insert illegal activity]. But once this stuff happens digitally, people seem to simply tolerate it. If I remember correctly, in 2019 there were huge protests against upload filters were people actually protested on the…

The authorities open letters all the time. Try sending a letter to prison without it getting scanned. The problem with this comparison is that the authorities can open a letter if they need to for various well-intended reasons, but they cannot open an encrypted message. Either the authorities can scan all messages, or they can scan no messages, there's no inbetween. The mandate to verify age before selling alcohol ha…

Last time I checked an Android phone was not selling me alcohol or porn. It requires specific deliberate actions to get access to anything like this with a phone. Any checks could be justified on the store or web-site level, not on the phone level. Treating every citizen as a child or even worse a potential criminal who needs to be constantly checked at numerous checkpoints the state so kindly put everywhere is exactly the stinking smells of the Soviet Union I'm talking about.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Why do we need to verify age? You can't tell me that these social media companies don't already know exactly how old someone is just based on the enormous data that is collected.

They do already like YouTube and ChatGPT, so they'll ask for your age only when they're unsure.

chatgpt began to spam me pretty hard for last a few months.

chatgpt basically never sent email and it's regular now - like 2 4 emails per month

so, it doesn't look great for chatgpt

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

#128
Seriously ready to fully drop google emails and services, i'm using vivaldi + personal email for a while now, the migration was slow a bit painful but complete. Only the phone is still attached to play store and google, but i'm 100% ready to switch to the fully supported Chinese variant of ColorOS and flush Google into the toilet once and for all. But my next phone will 100% be a Sailfish again.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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Who? The lawmakers? I believe banning children up to a certain age from having Internet-enabled mobile devices is a good starting point, and both child protection services and law enforcement services should fully cooperate with parents in enforcing that ban. If you see a kid smoking a cigarette or taking drugs, you know parents have failed somewhere along the road and it would be preferable if the government could s…

This is reasonable up to the point of lawmakers suddenly deeming rainbow flags just as bad as drugs (Russia as an example). Your example may work in well intended countries but completely ignores that a country can VERY easily shift into a regime that does not have good ethics abusing these kinda laws.

Not having an internet censorship law never stopped a country from making rainbow flags illegal.

Re: Google will expand age checks on Android worldwide till the end of the year

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If you don't even try to use simple available measures to prevent your own child from vaping then it's unfair to say you have zero tolerance for children vaping.

Strange comment, plenty of parents try and fail to stop their kids to do certain things.

Did you mean "plenty of parents wouldn't tolerate “adult” services and goods rendered directly to children" when you said "No one would tolerate “adult” services and goods rendered directly to children"?
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