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Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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Instead of attaching the motor bracket with a binder clip, consider sticking it down with some sort of removable adhesive? 3M command strips should be very strong/secure, while also allowing for adjustment and will detach without residue when the time comes.

I'd cut a block of wood to fit snuggly to the left of the knob, wedge it in place and screw the stepper in to that. .....or just screw into the AC unit somewhere discrete and hope no one notices.

Have you ever seen a landlord check that kind of things really?

Unless you have made a mess with wires getting out looking like a fire hazard in waiting I don't know anyone who would stop at 2 tiny screw holes. Heck the landowner may not even remember the unit was not made that way in the first place.

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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I don't get how so many large buildings in NYC and Beijing (two cities that I've personally visited) use independent little AC units like the PTAC or minisplit types. A couple per apartment, peppered over the outer walls. Engineers intuition says surely a large central unit would be more efficient and effective. Is it because of personal ownership reasons? Counterintuitive physics? Heat dissipation limitations on the…

I had the option to buy a “central” unit or several mini splits for my apartment. I chose several mini splits. The main reason is that they can fail independently, so I’m not stuck in an apartment that is hot everywhere. But I think the main reason is that in places without central AC, people tend to want to incrementally upgrade. For example, you might get a mini split just for your bedroom, because that’s the room…

The main reason is that landlord only pay for the installation while the tenant pay the electricity bill. Landlord has no incentive to invest more than the minimum.

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised we haven't seen a cheap, USB powered Bluetooth RE-232C dongle for home assistant yet.

Say if we have a pi laying around, could we emulate this?

I guess we could.

Using a whole Raspberry Pi seems like overkill, though: Support for a wide variety of common USB serial chips is already built into esphome. https://esphome.io/components/usb_uart/

Just wire it up with a cheap dev board, build a firmware image for it, and that end of things is... done, right?

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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The "couple a stepper motor to a shaft" API is so much better than any "smart" appliance API. Speaking more seriously, I wish classes of appliances would expose some simple analog and digital interface pins in a standardized configuration to let users choose whatever automation or monitoring hardware they want. HVAC equipment does this with standardized thermostat terminals. I'd love to see that on other types of app…

> HVAC equipment does this with standardized thermostat terminals. yes, they standardize thermostat terminals, but they should allow additional inputs such as a measure of radiant heat entering through the boundary surfaces. I have to change my thermostat far more because it's a sunny day than I need to because of different outdoor temperatures. Bear in mind, I shouldn't have to change my thermostat at all† (except p…

That sounds neat.

But it's just a furnace (or just an aircon) that is controlled by a thermostat. In broad strokes, the combined system just turns things on and off (or speeds them up, or slows them down).

So what would it do with that information if it had it?

I mean: Suppose that the thermostat knows, however it knows this, that you're experiencing an uncomfortable level of warmth due to radiant heat in a particular room.

What does it do next? Make everything else in the house (or the zone) cooler to compensate? Something else, instead?

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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post #11

It's insane to me that some new construction buildings still use PTACs. Having used too many of those, this was a deal-breaker last time I was in the market for an apartment. Such a New York thing, just like how you cannot have a balcony on the 2nd floor, or how you won't find those sink garbage disposal grinders in any kitchen. But cross the Hudson toward NJ, and my understanding is that they're common. It's a combi…

PTACs suck. Well-maintained, newer models suck less, but they still suck. Unless well-insulated, the sleeves leak air (and humidity). And there's a duopoly between Ice Air and Islandaire, so they get to charge more for maintenance. They benefit from the trend of maintenance for older models being a yearly chore also. From what I understand, PTACs started as a convenient way to retrofit apartments with air conditionin…

The PTAC units shown in the article look like something from the 1950s. Minisplits have been the way the world has done AC for a long long time now. It's interesting how foreign of a product it is in the US.

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the standard control for TV is the RS-232C port on the TV. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/serial-projector-contr... from a quick search.

I'm surprised we haven't seen a cheap, USB powered Bluetooth RE-232C dongle for home assistant yet.

Esphome+hdmi breakout board+llm (or use an existing project like [0])

[0] https://github.com/Palakis/esphome-native-hdmi-cec

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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post #23

OT: I'm looking for some way to control my AC via Infrared. I have a few pretty standard AC units with IR remotes. The ones with a display on it, that just transmit all the settings on the remote via IR on every button press. Some device I can mount in proximity, that controls the AC, but preferably also has a temperature and humidity sensor included.

I tried that with one once back in the pre-bot days. While someone could certainly have made it work, I couldn't make sense of the IR commands with available tools and this model wasn't something that others had already figured out (I tried all that ESPHome included).

I thought about building my own controls for it: After all, it's just a compressor and a fan that are each controlled by relays -- how hard could it be to have them controlled by my relays? Or to have its relays controlled by my logic?

But then I discovered that this particular aircon would resume, with a delay[1], after a power outage.

So I turned it on and left it on, and put it on a smart plug. It turned out that this was Good Enough, and there was no drama. It just worked.

Plus, because Home Assistant: I was able to use a temperature sensor that I found available in the Alexa speaker that I already had on the night stand to prove that the overall concept worked. (I added a Zigbee temperature sensor later on.)

[1]: The compressor likes to stay switched off for awhile after it has been recently run. People sometimes like to make it sound complicated or mysterious, but: It's just to help prevent the compressor from trying to restart while from a resting position that is in the middle of a compression stroke. Doing that is harder on things than it could be in the best case, and it stalls the compressor in the worst case (which can then extend to exercising thermal and/or overcurrent protection).

But as long as there's a bit of a gap between runs, then that provides time for the high-pressure side to leak down so there's not so much to compress, and the compressor can restart without too much fuss. That's all; that's the whole merit. My aircon's irrevocable power-up delay handled that problem well-enough, but the logic could be scripted in HA's YAML with a helper if that were necessary.

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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The more I mess around with ESP32s and home automation, the more I realize that was looks like jank to a software engineer is just the way these things work.

Look at the MAC addresses of smart devices connected to your home network and 90% of them are just going to be ESP32 chips hooked up in this way to some control mechanism, but in a nicer enclosure.

Re: Turning a dumb AC unit smart (without losing my security deposit)

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post #12

that's a fun project. i'd be a little concerned about the servos failing to fully switch the switches or placing wear on them, maybe a dangerous failure mode where it is switched into and left in an in-between state unattended that could lead to a fire hazard. you can buy smart outlets with the correct connector, just look for 20A versions. (honeywell, at a minimum, sells one). https://prod-edam.honeywell.com/content…

The lack of feedback from the AC unit makes using a switched outlet potentially problematic. You really need to know the state of the compressor cycling before you go mucking with turning it on and off. (At least this was the case with the refrigeration compressors I am familiar with from my youth.) A current sensor could provide feedback but that goes beyond a regular smart switch.

Naw. It's not quite that weird. It's actually pretty simple. :)

The compressor can be turned off at any time. It doesn't matter where in the compression cycle it is when it becomes unpowered; it just doesn't care. It's probably ultimately going to come to rest on a compression stroke no matter what, anyway (Newton's 3rd law, etc).

While the compressor is off, the high pressure side leaks down. That's good. (Sometimes, that's a noisy process: We've probably all heard aircons and fridges and such hiss and/or gurgle a bit after they've been turned completely off in an otherwise-quiet room; that's the sound of the high and low pressure sides approaching equilibrium.)

The only trick is to wait a bit for the pressure to leak down before restarting it again; a minute or two is almost certainly more than plenty with a small loop. That wait is just to make the compressor's job of restarting a bit easier than it could be otherwise.

The risk of restarting too soon is that it's harder on things than it could be. It might be hard enough on things that the compressor stalls. Stalled compressors are bad because they use a lot of current and make a lot of heat, but there's safety cutouts present that are designed to prevent them from becoming fire just for these instances.

And anyway, it's all completely avoidable in this scenario: Set the smart plug to default to off (for when recovering from a real power outage), program a reliable restart delay into whatever the control system is (Home Assistant or whatever), and call it a day. This is functionally exactly what my Nest thermostat does.

(Some aircons already have a delay at fresh power-up as an unavoidable built-in feature, and these don't need any special handling at all.)

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