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Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by AvocadoPanic »

alwa wrote: post #82
connorboyle wrote: post #78

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Been skeptical for quite some time that "using AI" is a real skill/genuine field of expertise. I think I need to start sharing that skepticism more loudly and publicly! (I'll caveat that by saying I think machine learning fundamentals are useful for evaluating any estimator. And an ML background can be good to give one an appreciation of how hard some tasks are to estimate, such as machine translation, summarization,…

I think knowing what you want (and being able to articulate it with adequate specificity, and detecting when processes drift away from it) is a real skill/field of expertise. I just don't think it's specific to interfacing with "AI."

Having domain expertise isn't specific to using AI.

Not being able to tell when it's hallucinating has led to some very adverse outcomes.

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by Barbing »

_dwt wrote: post #22

I find that some of my friends and acquaintances have gotten obsessed with prompting style, "prompt engineering", which skills to use, which skills to build, "context engineering", and a billion other variations on "how to write smart things so the model does good". Friends, look at the prompts that Anthropic's own people are putting into the machine: > A few hours after the first message, we found that Claude was st…

Is there a non-math example of how a genius prompts? RE: Tao’s Jacobian Conjecture chat https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49010345

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by estearum »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #116
estearum wrote: post #115

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Right. So the crux of the issue here is you have no experience with what's being discussed, while I do. Sheesh, imagine thinking you choose not to rewind time and "edit" the speech that has already come out of your mouth lmao.

I'm doing it right now you goober! Stop calling it hard! What experience do you insist I'm lacking in something I'm doing right now?

Maybe you lost the thread, but this is a conversation about using dictation (specifically modern dictation tools like Whisper derivatives) to prompt coding agents.

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by Barbing »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #121
alwa wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think knowing what you want (and being able to articulate it with adequate specificity, and detecting when processes drift away from it) is a real skill/field of expertise. I just don't think it's specific to interfacing with "AI."

Having domain expertise isn't specific to using AI. Not being able to tell when it's hallucinating has led to some very adverse outcomes.

Including for about 1809 lawyers https://damiencharlotin.com/hallucinations

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by PandaRider »

himata4113 wrote: post #111
staticshock wrote: post #47

When high quality effort is applied to a tool, such as AES or the linux kernel, we intuit that it "hardens" the tool. That is, it makes the tool more correct, more resilient, less assailable, etc. Similarly, when effort is applied to an open problem, such as the Riemann hypothesis or P v NP, without progress, it "hardens" the problem: it makes the problem feel more daunting to whoever takes a stab at it next. Andrew…

AI is nowhere near the intelligence of a very educated person that has innate talent for problem solving. It does solve the problem of applying human intelligence on problems that truly need it. AI is also a great tool to see if there's something simple that we've missed or just haven't even attempted due to wrong assumptions.

> if there's something simple that we've missed

That's exactly what current mathematicians are using AI for [1].

However, the same mathematicians also believe that pursuing a beautiful proof (even if none exists) is worth it.

[1] https://spectrum.ieee.org/ai-in-mathematics

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by throw10920 »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #50
heaney-555 wrote: post #42

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If a Chinese model can do it for $1-10K, then why hasn't one? Why have all the mathematical (and now cryptographic) breakthroughs come from OpenAI and Anthropic? Is it possibly because the Chinese models are so benchmaxxed they can't make novel discoveries?

They're a few months behind the frontier, which, by the way, only started making these discoveries in the last few months.

That might be true, but it's irrelevant to the current discussion, which is arguing about whether or not Chinese models can do this now. One of the commentators above is arguing that it's not only possible but significantly cheaper (i.e. Chinese models are not only at par with frontier but several months ahead).

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by Dylan16807 »

estearum wrote: post #123
Dylan16807 wrote: post #116

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I'm doing it right now you goober! Stop calling it hard! What experience do you insist I'm lacking in something I'm doing right now?

Maybe you lost the thread, but this is a conversation about using dictation (specifically modern dictation tools like Whisper derivatives) to prompt coding agents.

Do you think it suddenly becomes harder to avoid backspace when you're in a different text box?

The thing you're claiming is hard, writing exactly the way you would speak, is not hard.

There's also some additional benefit to going with the flow and not thinking about words much before saying them, but that's equally hard with text or voice.

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by estearum »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #127
estearum wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you lost the thread, but this is a conversation about using dictation (specifically modern dictation tools like Whisper derivatives) to prompt coding agents.

Do you think it suddenly becomes harder to avoid backspace when you're in a different text box? The thing you're claiming is hard, writing exactly the way you would speak, is not hard. There's also some additional benefit to going with the flow and not thinking about words much before saying them, but that's equally hard with text or voice.

You just said like two comments ago you have no experience with this. Not sure why you keep acting like you do.

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by Dylan16807 »

estearum wrote: post #128
Dylan16807 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think it suddenly becomes harder to avoid backspace when you're in a different text box? The thing you're claiming is hard, writing exactly the way you would speak, is not hard. There's also some additional benefit to going with the flow and not thinking about words much before saying them, but that's equally hard with text or voice.

You just said like two comments ago you have no experience with this. Not sure why you keep acting like you do.

I hadn't before. Then I started doing it just to show how easy it was.

It doesn't matter what text box you're typing in. The ability to type as you'd speak is easy. Without any extra delays or issues.

I hope you're not trying to argue that typing the same way into an AI prompt is harder than doing it into HN. It's just not hard in any situation. Voice isn't special.

Re: Discovering Cryptographic Weaknesses with Claude

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Post by estearum »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #129
estearum wrote: post #128

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You just said like two comments ago you have no experience with this. Not sure why you keep acting like you do.

I hadn't before. Then I started doing it just to show how easy it was. It doesn't matter what text box you're typing in. The ability to type as you'd speak is easy . Without any extra delays or issues. I hope you're not trying to argue that typing the same way into an AI prompt is harder than doing it into HN. It's just not hard in any situation. Voice isn't special.

You are struggling to hold the thread, I'm afraid. Have a good night!
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