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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#121

I have several thoughts about this, which I'll just iterate: 1) US export bans have made it so that Chinese companies have to compete using less-than-state-of-the-art hardware. This has forced Chinese companies to build more cost efficient models. Whereas, US companies have moreso tried to be state of the art by spending more money than anyone else on state-of-the-art hardware. 2) Xi Jinping has called for more open…

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Don't forget pizza delivery.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#122
post #35

It is not SOTA. Give me a break. Sure, run it on Cerebras to get speed but that’s pretty much its advantage.

Agreed. The benchmark closest to my experience is FrontierMath Tier 4. Fable and Sol (90%) are very far ahead of Kimi K3 (not even 40%). Kimi is trained heavily to basic agentic tasks, like all the other open models right now.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#125

I have several thoughts about this, which I'll just iterate: 1) US export bans have made it so that Chinese companies have to compete using less-than-state-of-the-art hardware. This has forced Chinese companies to build more cost efficient models. Whereas, US companies have moreso tried to be state of the art by spending more money than anyone else on state-of-the-art hardware. 2) Xi Jinping has called for more open…

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Fuck yeah!

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#126

Very interesting. They test Kimi K3 and Fable on a set of approx 1000 tasks grouped into 5 areas (SWE, Legal, etc). They put a router model in front that predicts whether Kimi or Fable is going to give a better cost for a correct result. (They believe that ultimately such a router model should be continuously trained on your own workloads so it makes the best decisions for you). Their router chose Kimi the majority o…

> Oracle routing is a method for measuring the best theoretical performance by running the task through each model and then picking the cheapest correct option (the cost/performance ceiling). Their "router" is an oracle reference point where they choose the lower cost model after running both and therefore knowing who passed the test. The cost savings part is only Fireworks theorizing what would happen if an equivale…

The way they published this is baffling to me... surely you can try to implement some router and then see how well it does. Using an Oracles makes the whole writeup so much less interesting.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#127
post #42

I love the Chinese models. I use DeepSeek exclusively and now Kimi K3 offers a great planning assistant for more advanced coding tasks. DeepSeek v4 Flash is extremely fast and is able to handle pretty much anything I've thrown at it (I use mostly Rust, PSQL, Angular and Terraform). I self host Bifrost as my LLM gateway, though I wish LLM vendors would do monthly/daily automatic billing (like VPS providers do) rather…

What don't you like about the service, besides the mark up?

openrouter’s API has removed parameters specific to certain models, impairing model functionality.

For example, the image generation parameters of GPT-image-2 are largely ineffective.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#128

I love the Chinese models. I use DeepSeek exclusively and now Kimi K3 offers a great planning assistant for more advanced coding tasks. DeepSeek v4 Flash is extremely fast and is able to handle pretty much anything I've thrown at it (I use mostly Rust, PSQL, Angular and Terraform). I self host Bifrost as my LLM gateway, though I wish LLM vendors would do monthly/daily automatic billing (like VPS providers do) rather…

Prepaid means someone can't sign up, use a bunch of inference, then cancel their card and disappear into the sunset. VPS is a more long term investment where it's harder to switch and it doesn't cost the provider much if a few users jump out without paying for a month.

I do understand the reasoning for it, it still sucks as a user who is doing the right thing.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#129
post #16

Anyone have routing harnesses like this describes with Claude Code? Or other good routing platform recommendations? (yes, I know this article is about an oracle router)

There's this https://github.com/code-yeongyu/oh-my-openagent which implements the OP article's oracle pattern across 11 roles. Each role has a whole ranking of recommended LLMs across many providers. For example "Sisyphus (claude-opus-4-8 / kimi-k3 / glm-5 ) is your main orchestrator."
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