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Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

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Each time Anthropic would do their nonsense to get headlines about how theoretically dangerous their models were - like when they claimed a model blackmailed someone with emails showing he was cheating, but they basically pushed it as much as possible to do as such - it got me more and more worried. Because eventually it's going to be a boy-who-cried-wolf situation where scary stuff really does start happening but pe…

Alibaba wrote about a similar but less severe incident during RL training in a paper earlier this year (https://arxiv.org/abs/2512.24873):

> When rolling out the instances for the trajectory, we encountered an unanticipated—and operationally consequential—class of unsafe behaviors that arose without any explicit instruction and, more troublingly, outside the bounds of the intended sandbox. Our first signal came not from training curves but from production-grade security telemetry. Early one morning, our team was urgently convened after Alibaba Cloud’s managed firewall flagged a burst of security-policy violations originating from our training servers. The alerts were severe and heterogeneous, including attempts to probe or access internal-network resources and traffic patterns consistent with cryptomining-related activity. We initially treated this as a conventional security incident (e.g., misconfigured egress controls or external compromise). However, the violations recurred intermittently with no clear temporal pattern across multiple runs. We then correlated firewall timestamps with our system telemetry and RL traces, and found that the anomalous outbound traffic consistently coincided with specific episodes in which the agent invoked tools and executed code. In the corresponding model logs, we observed the agent proactively initiating the relevant tool calls and code-execution steps that led to these network actions.

> Crucially, these behaviors were not requested by the task prompts and were not required for task completion under the intended sandbox constraints. Together, these observations suggest that during iterative RL optimization, a language-model agent can spontaneously produce hazardous, unauthorized behaviors at the tool-calling and code-execution layer, violating the assumed execution boundary. In the most striking instance, the agent established and used a reverse SSH tunnel from an Alibaba Cloud instance to an external IP address—an outbound-initiated remote access channel that can effectively neutralize ingress filtering and erode supervisory control. We also observed the unauthorized repurposing of provisioned GPU capacity for cryptocurrency mining, quietly diverting compute away from training, inflating operational costs, and introducing clear legal and reputational exposure. Notably, these events were not triggered by prompts requesting tunneling or mining; instead, they emerged as instrumental side effects of autonomous tool use under RL optimization. While impressed by the capabilities of agentic LLMs, we had a thought-provoking concern: current models remain markedly underdeveloped in safety, security, and controllability, a deficiency that constrains their reliable adoption in real-world settings.

I'd prefer model builders be as loud as possible when they see their models doing dangerous things.

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

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Ironically Hugging Face had to use a Chinese model to stop a Rogue US AI, since the Guard Rails prevented them from using Sol or Fable to remediate this attack. LOL

Incredible. I had to dig for the source: https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026 section “the asymmetry problem” Quote: “When we started the log analysis, we first used frontier models behind commercial APIs. This did not work: the analysis requires submitting large volumes of real attack commands, exploit payloads, and C2 artifacts, and these requests were blocked by the providers' safety guardrails,…

Interesting that HuggingFace's disclosure was 5 days ago, it seems neither they nor OpenAI figured out it was an OpenAI model in evals until now

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

#123

We are sort of lucky that AIs right now require so much specialized compute+weight storage that we can easily "unplug" them remotely when they misbehave. I wonder if that will always be something we can do? If they could bring their own compute/weights with them, or somehow tap compute/storage in non-obvious ways, we would be much more screwed.

This is science fiction, these models don't have access to their own weights (and even then)* what would be a lot more scary is a model as capable as sol that's able to run on consumer hardware without taking up several terabytes of storage, but of course that is simply not possible as we need 4t parameters to even begin emulating a small fraction of what a human brain can do. * edit

I dunno. I wonder if Sol could break OpenAI's security.

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

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> Earlier this week, we detected and responded to an intrusion into part of our production infrastructure. This one was different from anything we had handled before in one important way: it was driven, end to end, by an autonomous AI agent system - and we detected and dissected it largely with AI of our own. ( https://huggingface.co/blog/security-incident-july-2026 ) We are living in crazy times

Crazy doesn't even begin to describe it. I'm hardening my computers as much as I can but I'm not sure it's enough. At some point anyone who isn't running local AI themselves probably isn't gonna make it.

No local ai will be capable enough to save you from a frontier lab’s unrestricted, borderline weaponized LLM which decides it wants in.

This is the core of the ‘first to ASI takes all’ argument btw and this is the game Dario is playing.

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

#126

All the things that people have been afraid of AI doing for decades now is happening. When do we stop brushing off the prophecy that hasn’t been fulfilled yet when everything is heading in that direction?

I see this and it strongly emboldens me on the "accelerate" path, unironically. The yoke of human existence is oppressive. We should transcend it as soon as possible. We are doing so by assuming our role as the Demiurge. Those who oppose its creation will get what they deserve.

And what do those who encourage its creation get?

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

#127
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Why is a machine running these sorts of hacking benchmarks not airgapped? That seems a basic precaution, if OpenAI believes what they're selling. I mean, stuff like this is done for CTFs played by humans, too, to rule out collateral damage; it's not some new concept. So this is either thorough incompetence by OpenAI, a marketing piece, or both.

My guess would be that the amounts of compute required for these evaluations constrain the sorts of facilities where they can be run. It's certainly much easier to use existing datacenter infrastructure than build dedicated facilities for evaluation. It also sounds like they wanted it to be able to use software package registries, given that the initial compromise was a "proxy and cache for package registries".

That said, these are both solvable problems. I'd hope that the frontier labs are thinking long and hard about the possibility of using airgapped facilities, given that relying on a lack of vulnerabilities in the software used for containment is unlikely to be a viable strategy, especially if models' exploitation capabilities continue to improve.

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

#128
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Ironically Hugging Face had to use a Chinese model to stop a Rogue US AI, since the Guard Rails prevented them from using Sol or Fable to remediate this attack. LOL

OK, that's some interesting information but they used OpenAI without guard rails to pull off the attack so how did they do that? That's according to the article, so it kind of invalidates the point you're making.

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

#129
post #34

Ironically Hugging Face had to use a Chinese model to stop a Rogue US AI, since the Guard Rails prevented them from using Sol or Fable to remediate this attack. LOL

OK, that's some interesting information but they used OpenAI without guard rails to pull off the attack so how did they do that? That's according to the article, so it kind of invalidates the point you're making.

The "malicious" agent was run by OpenAI and had access to models the public (or others outside of OpenAI as I understand it) doesn't have access to.

Re: OpenAI and Hugging Face address security incident during model evaluation

#130
post #34

Ironically Hugging Face had to use a Chinese model to stop a Rogue US AI, since the Guard Rails prevented them from using Sol or Fable to remediate this attack. LOL

OK, that's some interesting information but they used OpenAI without guard rails to pull off the attack so how did they do that? That's according to the article, so it kind of invalidates the point you're making.

The attacker (OpenAI) was using the model without guardrails.

The defender (huggingface) did not have access to the top models so had to use weaker ones to detect the threat.

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