> The U.S. government on Friday said Boeing can once again issue airworthiness certificates for its bestselling 737 Max aircraft and 787 Dreamliners, an authority that was stripped from the manufacturer after fatal crashes in 2018 and 2019 of the 737 Max. I'm a bit confused by this. From what I've read an "airworthiness certificate" is not a certificate that the aircraft design is good and safe. That would be a type…
FAA lets Boeing sign off on 737 MAX, 787 airworthiness certificates again
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#122The 737 has had 14 major recertifications. The aircraft today looks/behaves nothing like the original from the 1960s. The main motivation for recertifications comes from commercial pressure where if a aircraft is given a new number and not recertified, then the pilots have to be retrained. Honestly, back when the 737 MAX debacle happened, a lot of consumers claimed that they would stop flying aircrafts if they ran in…
The #1 rule of marketing is that people's actions rarely line up with what they say they're going to do.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
And then they complain about seat sizes and baggage dimensions.
People want to get what they're promised in a reasonable fashion. If the prices are hiding something like nonstandard seats or unreasonable baggage procedures, then that's a legitimate problem, not something they should shut up about because they should have known.
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#124The 737 has had 14 major recertifications. The aircraft today looks/behaves nothing like the original from the 1960s. The main motivation for recertifications comes from commercial pressure where if a aircraft is given a new number and not recertified, then the pilots have to be retrained. Honestly, back when the 737 MAX debacle happened, a lot of consumers claimed that they would stop flying aircrafts if they ran in…
Toyota had the largest recall in history for the unintended acceleration debacle. Yes, lots of people were saying they'd never set foot in a toyota again. Now people don't even remember it.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
SC wasn't really involved in this. The fuselage came from Spirit in Kansas, and final assembly happened in Renton.
Does it matter? As a customer of the plane (and traveller) I'd like QA to be top notch and I would expect it to be final inspection at assembly stage.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
People want to get what they're promised in a reasonable fashion. If the prices are hiding something like nonstandard seats or unreasonable baggage procedures, then that's a legitimate problem, not something they should shut up about because they should have known.
They're getting from Point A to Point B for a pittance. What more should they expect?
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#127Re: FAA lets Boeing sign off on 737 MAX, 787 airworthiness certificates again
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lazy Reddit style comments, do you ever contribute? I look down the chain of these comments and looks like others had no problem
No what you see down the chain of comments are people confidently repeating the exact pattern that the OIG report on this failure actually blames for it. They keep insisting there's some binary distinction between type certification and production certification. The entire crux of OIG's diagnosis is that this is actually a much more permeable and fluid process, and the permeability of it is exactly what allowed a fau…
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're getting from Point A to Point B for a pittance. What more should they expect?
They deserve to know upfront how big the seat is, how big of a bag they can bring, and how much extra bags cost. On top of that, it can be useful if bag sizes and measurement have some standardization across the industry. Nothing major here or hard to provide.
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#130I only fly airbus. If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.