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The revenge of the philosophy majors

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Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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Philosophy majors. That piece of paper does not make you a philosopher.

Bit of a tangent, but it's fun to think about how much it takes to become a -er, -ian or -ist in a given field. Philosophy is probably one of the hardest, you need to be seen as up there with the all-time greats. In history or physics you probably need to be faculty, in economics you need to have a PhD, in engineering you don't even need a degree but you need to be practicing,...

Reminds me of section 211 in Beyond Good and Evil (and all of part 6, for that matter)

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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This article seems high on vibes, low on metrics. > While a plain-vanilla philosophy degree remains as hard to monetize as ever, David Chalmers, a prominent philosopher of consciousness at N.Y.U., observes: “I think the demand for philosophers with A.I. training is, if anything, outstripping the supply right now. It’s an area I encourage students to go into. I think these issues with A.I. will be front and center for…

Wow, it is hard not to immediately think of that meme. There are indeed dozens of them!

Half-dozens of them, apparently.

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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I studied analytic philosophy, which is basically an education in how to clarify your thoughts, say what you mean in precise terms, and make clear arguments. IMO there is no better preparation for any sort of writing-and-thinking job than studying analytic philosophy, although of course I am biased. Not sure I’d recommend doing only a philosophy degree, but I highly recommend pairing it with something else more emplo…

Well sure if you want to actually be right. If you just care about looking right rhetoric might be a better fit.

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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> This article seems high on vibes, low on metrics. That's the in-house style for the WSJ

Not sure if it changed but this is written by NYTimes. FWIW I think the WSJ is the best news source available and does not match this description.

Agree 100%

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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This article seems high on vibes, low on metrics. > While a plain-vanilla philosophy degree remains as hard to monetize as ever, David Chalmers, a prominent philosopher of consciousness at N.Y.U., observes: “I think the demand for philosophers with A.I. training is, if anything, outstripping the supply right now. It’s an area I encourage students to go into. I think these issues with A.I. will be front and center for…

What you're missing is that this is approximately at least a half-dozen more jobs than open tenure-track positions at research universities.

Wouldn't the correct comparison would be filled positions tenure and tenure-track positions?

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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In summary, AI has tricked a bunch of philosophy majors into not only thinking it's more than linear algebra but changing their entire life trajectories because of their confusion. AI seems to be a very alluring tar pit for the non-technical. The sad part is how this negative externality of AI is being actively encouraged for political ends.

Sure, but is there any evidence that psychology and for that matter, any animal intelligence, is anything more than linear algebra?

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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This article seems high on vibes, low on metrics. > While a plain-vanilla philosophy degree remains as hard to monetize as ever, David Chalmers, a prominent philosopher of consciousness at N.Y.U., observes: “I think the demand for philosophers with A.I. training is, if anything, outstripping the supply right now. It’s an area I encourage students to go into. I think these issues with A.I. will be front and center for…

> each of which employs at least a half-dozen philosophers.

Imagine knowing that you're hired to launder regulatory capture for a trillion dollar corporation lol

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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That reminds me of a survey that found that in the entire field of Social Psychology, there was something like eight people that indicated they would vote for Romney over Obama.

Well yeah rightwing people are not the kind of people to take up psychology. I also don’t think you will find many Marxists in corporate law .

> I also don’t think you will find many Marxists in corporate law .

I imagine you'd find more than average, actually. You have a front-row seat to how the sausage is made.

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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I studied analytic philosophy, which is basically an education in how to clarify your thoughts, say what you mean in precise terms, and make clear arguments. IMO there is no better preparation for any sort of writing-and-thinking job than studying analytic philosophy, although of course I am biased. Not sure I’d recommend doing only a philosophy degree, but I highly recommend pairing it with something else more emplo…

I have one area of my education that I highly value but its very hard to explain without people importing a lot of assumptions. I like to call it critical listening but also its textual evaluation. In addition to some didactic instruction my Father gave me a short book on the principles of hermeneutics around 13. We went to different churches over the years growing up but I would bring my bible, take notes, and on th…

To my ear, that sounds very much like the GRE Verbal.

Re: The revenge of the philosophy majors

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I studied analytic philosophy, which is basically an education in how to clarify your thoughts, say what you mean in precise terms, and make clear arguments. IMO there is no better preparation for any sort of writing-and-thinking job than studying analytic philosophy, although of course I am biased. Not sure I’d recommend doing only a philosophy degree, but I highly recommend pairing it with something else more emplo…

I graduated a long time ago with a degrees in CS and philosophy. I've never understand the hate for philosophy; I think more about my philosophy classes now than my CS classes.

I did Philosophy and Physics - each of which I have fond memories of.
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