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Anything to stop looking at what's going on in their banana republic. With their exceptionalism being as strong as ever, now that they're frustrated they jump at the chance to gloat at the 'europoors'.
Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
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Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#122Why has this become a meme? Sure aircon is nice but there are also reasons why it's not common in some parts of Europe. Here in central Prague a lot of the buildings are historic and protected, so you can't just gouge out a section of the building to install an aircon. Also it's generally only hot enough for aircon maybe 2-4 weeks a year. I'm seeing more and more American's yapping about not having aircon in Europe.…
I lived 25 years in Rome, now I live in Vancouver.
Went back to Rome in the summer this year (haven't been there in summer in about 8 years)...
And holy moly it's so hot. Unbearably hot and humid. You don't want to step out, it's outright unpleasant.
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#123Australian, living in central Europe (have lived in California, also) .. this isn't hot, mate.
Also, AC is for wimps.
Americans just like to shit on Europeans for trivial/nonsense things because it detracts from the heinous crimes the USA commits every day - which Americans don't really see, but the rest of the world does.
Its cute that Americans think Europeans don't want AC because Americans have AC. Europeans don't want war and genocide - Americans have plenty of that.
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
That part might be speculation, okay, so then let's add the number of people, European citizens, dying of overheating every year (lately at least). The history is history, while the current world is so much hotter. It doesn't matter whether you deny climate change models, reality is that France just had their hottest day ever recorded, and such records get broken year after year. I've seen yesterday a picture of a Ma…
Why did you stop just short of proving that Europeans reject ACs because of "reflexive anti-Americanism"? Because that's the only thing GP objected to.
Because climate is more important to me than pettiness.
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#125Australian, living in central Europe (have lived in California, also) .. this isn't hot, mate. Also, AC is for wimps. Americans just like to shit on Europeans for trivial/nonsense things because it detracts from the heinous crimes the USA commits every day - which Americans don't really see, but the rest of the world does. Its cute that Americans think Europeans don't want AC because Americans have AC. Europeans don'…
Personally, I think AC vs. no AC isn't the issue, it's the lack of fans and air circulation that is the problem. I suspect there are building where installing AC is going to be required, but the majority of building really just need to install fans.
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#126Why has this become a meme? Sure aircon is nice but there are also reasons why it's not common in some parts of Europe. Here in central Prague a lot of the buildings are historic and protected, so you can't just gouge out a section of the building to install an aircon. Also it's generally only hot enough for aircon maybe 2-4 weeks a year. I'm seeing more and more American's yapping about not having aircon in Europe.…
> I assume they're mostly the kind that has never been to Europe The big disconnect comes from the fact that places like Miami and Houston don't really have analogous European peers in terms of climate. There are places that come close but it's not the same. It's one thing for it to be unbearably hot at 2-6pm. Its a different thing altogether for it to still be 80F+ at 3am every single night for months on end. You ca…
I just had to replace an AC in my condo in Miami. The replacement parts' cost for the old unit didn't make sense. Got a 3 ton Bosch unit, parts and installation was $6K. 3 tons is just enough for 1600 square feet and old single pane windows.
You cannot survive without an AC in Florida. Nor in Las Vegas, Dallas, NYC and the boroughs, the list goes on. Doable in Santa Monica or in the Bay perhaps.
Humidity is a larger burden on me than temperature. I can do dry Las Vegas at 100F, but can't stand Miami at 80F and 70% humidity.
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#127Why has this become a meme? Sure aircon is nice but there are also reasons why it's not common in some parts of Europe. Here in central Prague a lot of the buildings are historic and protected, so you can't just gouge out a section of the building to install an aircon. Also it's generally only hot enough for aircon maybe 2-4 weeks a year. I'm seeing more and more American's yapping about not having aircon in Europe.…
many of those old buildings have balconies where you can hide AC nobody from street can see, personally I have my multisplit unit on the roof (I'm on top/5th floor), same with neighbor floor below just with longer pipes
it certainly more than 4 weeks hot enough between June-September to justify AC, even one month per year is comfy + it helps also during heating season if they start too late or end too early, you can use AC for heating as well
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#128Why has this become a meme? Sure aircon is nice but there are also reasons why it's not common in some parts of Europe. Here in central Prague a lot of the buildings are historic and protected, so you can't just gouge out a section of the building to install an aircon. Also it's generally only hot enough for aircon maybe 2-4 weeks a year. I'm seeing more and more American's yapping about not having aircon in Europe.…
You can add AC systems in the attics and then run the piping inside the building. You keep the facade as it is. I guess it depends on the country, customs and other things. In my part of Europe, older people are convinced the AC will kill them if they use it. So YMMV.
that's not very efficient since attic will be then hot
balcony is more practical place where to hide it if it's historical building, worth that <0.5m2 if you don't hang it on wall and must hide it from neighbors/bureaucrats
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#129Why has this become a meme? Sure aircon is nice but there are also reasons why it's not common in some parts of Europe. Here in central Prague a lot of the buildings are historic and protected, so you can't just gouge out a section of the building to install an aircon. Also it's generally only hot enough for aircon maybe 2-4 weeks a year. I'm seeing more and more American's yapping about not having aircon in Europe.…
I live in Prague and seeing the temperatures expected during weekend, I bought at least the portable AC. I'd say 2-4 weeks is quite a long period to justify this purchase. Yes, historically, the AC didn't make sense in Prague, but there's no going back, the world is just going to get hotter.
portable AC is extremely inefficient and noisy + you need hole in the window, otherwise you will be letting tons of heat back through the gap if you keep window ajar even with insulation
Re: Europeans should learn to love the air-conditioner
#130Why has this become a meme? Sure aircon is nice but there are also reasons why it's not common in some parts of Europe. Here in central Prague a lot of the buildings are historic and protected, so you can't just gouge out a section of the building to install an aircon. Also it's generally only hot enough for aircon maybe 2-4 weeks a year. I'm seeing more and more American's yapping about not having aircon in Europe.…
This might be the coldest summer for the rest of your life. European summers are only going to get hotter, and more humid. Meanwhile, we have a pressing need to decarbonize our home heating solutions both for energy sovreignty and climate reasons. Modern air-to-air heat pumps (i.e. aircon) are a pretty good solution for that. I think we're just going to have to work our way around this as a society. While many Europe…
But what about the coldest springs? It's wild, I was in Paris just this mid May and it was raining and hailing, berry sized icy projectiles from the sky. I had to pop into a Decathlon and get a waterproof jacket.