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Why Drawing Tablet Brands Won't Collaborate on Linux Floss Drivers

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Re: Why Drawing Tablet Brands Won't Collaborate on Linux Floss Drivers

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Besides Wacom, which tablets would you recommend as good quality?

I'm using a screen XP-Pen 24" Gen 2 on Arch+Wayland+KDE right now, it has been a much better experience than on Windows. The tablet worked flawlessly out of the box.

However, there aren't any drivers for the included remote, and to calibrate the tablet itself you'll need to use OpenTabletDriver.

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> it's just a name, who cares This cannot be, naming things is one of the two canonical hard problems.

You've forgotten the 3rd canonical hard problem: off by one errors.

concurrencyThere's 3 hard problems in computer science: naming things, cache invalidation, , and off-by-one errors.

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In non-English speaking countries gimp is a short word that is so seldom used that nobody knows what it means. I used GIMP for a very long time before running into a story about the meaning of the English world. It was only GNU Image Manipulation Program to me. It still is a contender for image editing programs, for limited photo retouch, for very limited drawing (draw a rectangle outline without googling?) I use Lib…

Nobody in my middle and high school had any idea "gimp" had an English meaning. I assume if anyone knew, we kids would at least occasionally joke about it (we used gimp for various projects). It was long after university after I learned that it's also an English word.

Even worse, I assumed for years that the primary meaning of gimp was bullfinch. See, in German the bird is called a Gimpel. Never bothered to look it up until reltively recently.

BTW: Wikipedia is great for translating technical jargon: the language links invariably lead you to the correct disambiguation of a lemma.

Re: Why Drawing Tablet Brands Won't Collaborate on Linux Floss Drivers

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Feel free to reply to that email and let them know that your readers just discovered that instead of considering Wacom alternatives, they now believe that Wacom is the only brand they can use on Linux. It seems like the only valid response to that is to give money to the people who make their hardware usable on my software.

The venn diagram for Linux user and an artist is so small they probably wouldn’t bother. You can continue to use Wacom (only)

> The venn diagram for Linux user and an artist is so small they probably wouldn’t bother. > > You can continue to use Wacom (only)

You might be surprised. On the smaller scale, look no further than Blender and Krita: Their stats indicate plenty of artists using Linux to sculpt and paint, with tablets.

But it's "big serious business" too. As evidence, see the VFX Reference Platform (https://vfxplatform.com/), a baseline for artist workstations with plenty of industry backing (vendors involved include Autodesk, Foundry, and Side-Effects; stakeholders include the Visual Effects Society and, it seems, the Academy Software Foundation). It adapts to direct studio feedback, which is certainly not an exercise in charity, and I guarantee you that they all want tablets to work as well.

Anecdotally, I've heard that big shops in-house a lot of their tools, and do so for Linux. The reasons I've heard being control & ease of integration with all the bespoke petabyte-scale server-based automation pipelines, which are most certainly Linux.

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It seems to be very popular in the US to take offence on behalf of others. For example: one hears of US people getting upset about “cultural appropriation” on behalf of others, when said others are actually actively happy about their culture being shown and appreciated. You can definitely take things too far in either direction.

There's a concept called "allyship", part of which means listening to marginalized people expressing negative reactions to certain popular demeaning acts and acting on their behalf to stop those acts. In recent memory, you see this in response to last decade's trend of white people wearing Native American headdresses (particular to certain remaining groups of indigenous people in North America) at fashion shows and p…

Good, but the number of internet stinks about this particular cultural appropriation I have encountered so far is zero. But I have encountered multiple dramas from people offended on behalf of the people who never asked them to whiteknight for them.

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Yes. It feels like the article was leading towards a reason for not doing that, but then suddenly it just ends.

Pretty sure the reason is, that anybody who could actually do the changes thinks works for me, the alternative is a lot of work for little technical gain. And besides once you start your tablet for Linux Projekt you have to touch everything, so that is a nice opportunity to finally refactor the wacom_debug_2 mess and pretty soon you're drowning in yak shavings.

It could be a fork, no need to "actually rename" anything

Re: Why Drawing Tablet Brands Won't Collaborate on Linux Floss Drivers

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they don't have to give explicit permission though, they just have to not disallow it (which an EULA could do, in the US at least)

De-compilation isn't enough to avoid copyright infringement issues, and if there are patents involved, they can also be an issue. You're always going to basically be stuck asking for permission, which is the essential intent of intellectual property law.

Which part of looking at the binary to understand how the device works and then writing a driver from scratch that talks to the device would violate copyright?

One would not have copy the implementation. Just use the binary to understand how the hardware device works. Like "Aha, it sends point data as x/y/pressure triplets, each being 16 bit values" etc.

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Yet name changes happen easily when legally forced. Wireshark, MariaDB, and LibreOffice.

So, um, the phrase "legally forced" really does not go with "happened easily". Ignoring what "legally" forced entails, and just focusing on the mechanics of renaming stuff: Even if your code base can be updated with a simple "s/old/new/" regex (and, IME, this never, ever works as well as you thought it would, and always creates a long tail of manual grepping and editing), you still have to fix the docs, deal with bre…

Can confirm. Renaming Ethereal to Wireshark involved a bunch of code and documentation updates, registering word and design trademarks across jurisdictions, and in our case we didn't have control over the old domain, so I had to contact a bunch of people linking to ethereal.com and ask them to link to wireshark.org instead. I don't know if the last part would even be possible today.
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