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Fossil Fuels Are 40% of Freight Shipping Tonnage, but Half Its Fuel Use

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Post by AngryData »

qsera wrote: post #72
HPsquared wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, solar panels and EVs are the way of the self-sufficient rugged individualist. It's an amazing PR and marketing coup to make it the other way around and presented as something for "liberal weaklings" etc.

>It's an amazing PR and marketing coup to make it the other way around and presented as something for "liberal weaklings" etc. If there is such a marketing, then people relate to it because EVs are not suited for handling unpredictable situation. You got stuck in a ditch in the middle of nowhere at night, you loss all of your battery getting out of it, and now you are stuck. So you can't take it to unforgiving places…

You have used multiple gallons of gas getting "unstuck" from somewhere? That is a ridiculous scenario.

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Post by Animats »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #117
Animats wrote: post #74

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> The top graph makes it seem much more dramatic than it is. It's all projections, too. They don't even have a line to show where they are going from actuals to guesses.

Does "the future is a prediction" actually have to be explicitly stated?

Yes. It's important to know whose prediction, and what it's based on.

">15% of corporate revenue is expected to come from the metaverse in the next 5 years according to 25% of senior executives" - McKinsey [1]

[1] https://www.mckinsey.com/capabilities/growth-marketing-and-s...

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Post by sarchertech »

redwall_hp wrote: post #110
kaydub wrote: post #71

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I've only had an EV 3 months now, but it'll never see a charging station. I pay around $.12/kw and get 4 miles per kw. So my "energy" costs are $.03/mile. I have a Mazda cx50 as well, it gets about 20-22mpg, with the gas prices here in Seattle that's around $.30/mile. Even where gas is cheaper that's still $.20/mile. Literally 10x the cost to run a gas car vs an EV. I'm honestly shocked at how many people have EVs an…

More people own cars than houses. I live in an apartment, and the only ways I'd be able to charge an electric car are expensive charging stations or plugging in an extension cord, leaving a sliding door cracked all night and hoping the property's management doesn't throw a fit, pets don't sneak out, somebody doesn't break in, etc. I've got a hybrid now, at least.

There’s plenty of cheap charging to be had in parking lots you’d otherwise park in. Many employers have charging stations. Plenty of apartments offer charging.

But even if you can’t find any of those, L2 charging at stations is half as expensive as fast charging.

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Post by sarchertech »

mercutio2 wrote: post #85
kaydub wrote: post #71

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I've only had an EV 3 months now, but it'll never see a charging station. I pay around $.12/kw and get 4 miles per kw. So my "energy" costs are $.03/mile. I have a Mazda cx50 as well, it gets about 20-22mpg, with the gas prices here in Seattle that's around $.30/mile. Even where gas is cheaper that's still $.20/mile. Literally 10x the cost to run a gas car vs an EV. I'm honestly shocked at how many people have EVs an…

The pacific northwest’s vast hydro capacity makes it maximally attractive to own an EV. The rest of the country isn’t nearly so lucky.

Neither Oregon nor Washington are in the top 10 states for cheapest residential power. Everywhere except for the Northeast and California has prices within a few cents per kWh of the Pacific Northwest.

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Post by tadfisher »

mercutio2 wrote: post #85
kaydub wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've only had an EV 3 months now, but it'll never see a charging station. I pay around $.12/kw and get 4 miles per kw. So my "energy" costs are $.03/mile. I have a Mazda cx50 as well, it gets about 20-22mpg, with the gas prices here in Seattle that's around $.30/mile. Even where gas is cheaper that's still $.20/mile. Literally 10x the cost to run a gas car vs an EV. I'm honestly shocked at how many people have EVs an…

The pacific northwest’s vast hydro capacity makes it maximally attractive to own an EV. The rest of the country isn’t nearly so lucky.

Doesn't make electricity much cheaper

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Post by sitkack »

gpm wrote: post #112
Gibbon1 wrote: post #109

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I think 1600 watts of solar panels produces enough energy to drive an EV 12000 miles a year. Your car though would have to be always plugged in during the day. But probably 3200 watts would be enough for a car used for commuting to be charged mornings, evenings, and weekends.

> Your car though would have to be always plugged in during the day Or just have a second stationary battery to store up the energy while you're away during the day.

Two cars, much cheaper than a second battery pack. And you have a supply of rolling spare parts.

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Post by gpm »

sitkack wrote: post #128
gpm wrote: post #112

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> Your car though would have to be always plugged in during the day Or just have a second stationary battery to store up the energy while you're away during the day.

Two cars, much cheaper than a second battery pack. And you have a supply of rolling spare parts.

This is probably the case right now, but I have faith the market will mature and fix that absurdity.

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Post by sitkack »

mercutio2 wrote: post #85
kaydub wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've only had an EV 3 months now, but it'll never see a charging station. I pay around $.12/kw and get 4 miles per kw. So my "energy" costs are $.03/mile. I have a Mazda cx50 as well, it gets about 20-22mpg, with the gas prices here in Seattle that's around $.30/mile. Even where gas is cheaper that's still $.20/mile. Literally 10x the cost to run a gas car vs an EV. I'm honestly shocked at how many people have EVs an…

The pacific northwest’s vast hydro capacity makes it maximally attractive to own an EV. The rest of the country isn’t nearly so lucky.

Seattle City Light owns a sizable chunk of its generating capacity.
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