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Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by kakacik »

necubi wrote: post #78
carabiner wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty convinced mips is just marketing. Hair will do the same thing. That's why in rock climbing world, petzl hasn't even bothered with it when they're usually very forward thinking about their designs (first company to do side impact testing).

MIPS is increasingly common in rock helmets. Black Diamond (anecdotally the most common brand I see in the US) now has it in their higher end models, and Mammut as well.

Just checked my BD climbing helmet I bought few years ago (seems like Mips Capitan model based on design).

Considered these things a gimmick (any technical equipment bought has list of various tech used within, I generally ignore that by default since I have no idea what each means), happy to see move for more safety in this area. Even small steps matter.

I will climb in big heat wave we have here in Europe now this evening, more sweaty = more slippery on polished rock crags, risk is always not as far as we like to think.

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by bboozzoo »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #8

As someone who commutes in traffic daily, this is not what I need or want. First up, it looks heavy and badly-ventilated, and then there's the potential for distracting info blocking my view of the actual road in front of me. Even if it was really good info (which would take really good sensors, plus a lot of compute to cram onboard), I am skeptical it'd be better than, you know, paying attention to your surroundings…

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Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by kakacik »

Drunk_Engineer wrote: post #103
jibal wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.facs.org/about-acs/statements/statement-on-bicyc... Helmets reduce the risk of head injury by 48%, traumatic brain injury by 53%, facial injury by 23%, and fatal injury by 34%.2 Pediatric non-helmeted bikers have a 3-fold higher risk of serious head injury compared to helmeted bikers;3 one study suggests that helmet use may reduce the risk of head injury by 83%.4 Bicycle-related head injuries and deaths h…

"one study suggests that helmet use may reduce the risk of head injury by 83%" That one study has been thoroughly debunked...yet decades later it still gets cited. https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2013/06/04/feds-no-longer-ba...

Yeah some random blog from keen bikers is really debunking it all globally, including common sense.

I don't get this fanatical defense of no-helmet-at-all-fucking-cost stance many here often express. I personally know a person who died in bike accident helmet-less, she went head first due to slamming front brake too hard, straight on the head on tarmac, no complex situation, it was more than enough.

I had similar situation - new xc bike bought cca 2007, for the first time buying helmet, spent whole childhood and adulthood without one. Within 3 weeks, I had to slam brakes on narrow winding forest path due to my GF stopping abruptly behind the corner. Don't have memory of that situation, remember opening eyes while laying on the ground, looking at crumpled helmet and visor, and seeing how my forehead went perfectly into a sharp stone sticking out of the ground, not much cca 5cm. More than enough to kill me, and GF told me I hit the ground with quite a bit of force.

I have friends with broken collar bones, shoulders, wrists, scars on heads, from various common bike situations, mostly in the city. Many were skeptics, all of them wear helmets now (sometimes due to hard push from their SO). Most of our friends are doctors due to my wife being one, every single one of them had to do some time in emergency in biggest Swiss hospital, and every single one of them had seen rough head injuries including death from all those folks who swore to never wear helmet, it limits their view (bullshit), their senses (huh?) and so on.

Every single sport facing death risk is maximizing their survival chances by smart behavior and better equipment, which often include helmets. But somehow these folks feel like (since this is hard emotional debate, not factual one) they are outside normal risk envelope thats valid for every single living thing on Earth.

But sure, don't wear the helmet, but lets agree you will cover full lifetime costs of any injury treatment to head/neck/shoulders, including all after care due to permanent disabilities. And don't whine when your kids die because daddy was a bit fanatic and picked up wrong hill to wage their insecurities/arrogance battle on.

/rant

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by Wicher »

Gigachad wrote: post #98
NegativeLatency wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you put more on the rear you can still get 50% more options if you add a 3rd front cog. It's not needed on everything but I really appreciate the extra options on my recumbent and touring bike.

Most of those options are overlapping and redundant though. Only the total range really matters, by simplifying the front the whole system becomes easier to use and mechanically less complicated.

Wear on the chain is greatly increased though on a 1x12 versus a 2x10, because of alignment.

Tolerances on a 1x setup are also much tighter, not ideal for long distance cycletrekking adventures.

Also, with a front derailer, dropping the chain to a smaller cog in the front to get to a lighter gear results in much happier shifting than having to lift the chain to a larger cog on the rear derailer when going uphill.

When MTB racing you can really get some advantage out of shifting combination discipline using a front derailer, when going from a downhill into an uphill.

I'm sad it's hard to find a 2x setup on new bicycles nowadays :-/

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by jibal »

kakacik wrote: post #124
Drunk_Engineer wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"one study suggests that helmet use may reduce the risk of head injury by 83%" That one study has been thoroughly debunked...yet decades later it still gets cited. https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2013/06/04/feds-no-longer-ba...

Yeah some random blog from keen bikers is really debunking it all globally, including common sense. I don't get this fanatical defense of no-helmet-at-all-fucking-cost stance many here often express. I personally know a person who died in bike accident helmet-less, she went head first due to slamming front brake too hard, straight on the head on tarmac, no complex situation, it was more than enough. I had similar sit…

Yeah, it's funny that some guy who baselessly claims that "99% of bike fatalities involve car crashes" (when people say "99%", odds are that they are pulling it out of their nether regions) then says that a study cited by the American College of Surgeons (which only says that "one study suggests") "has been thoroughly debunked", offering a citation that doesn't say that. What it does say is that the number from the study hasn't been replicated and other studies consistently show lower numbers. How much lower? It doesn't say. But one thing that is clear is that our drunken correspondent is himself highly prone to exaggeration.

And he notably has nothing to say about any of the other numbers and consequences mentioned by the ACS.

P.S. The 1989 "debunked" study isn't even what ACS cited! Their citation was an overview paper that used a broad range of studies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10796827/

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by jibal »

Drunk_Engineer wrote: post #103
jibal wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.facs.org/about-acs/statements/statement-on-bicyc... Helmets reduce the risk of head injury by 48%, traumatic brain injury by 53%, facial injury by 23%, and fatal injury by 34%.2 Pediatric non-helmeted bikers have a 3-fold higher risk of serious head injury compared to helmeted bikers;3 one study suggests that helmet use may reduce the risk of head injury by 83%.4 Bicycle-related head injuries and deaths h…

"one study suggests that helmet use may reduce the risk of head injury by 83%" That one study has been thoroughly debunked...yet decades later it still gets cited. https://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2013/06/04/feds-no-longer-ba...

That's not what the ACS cited; this is: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10796827/

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by adammarples »

Drunk_Engineer wrote: post #71
wxw wrote: post #3

So I started biking recently and was hunting for helmets. And turns out Virgina Tech does a bunch of helmet impact testing and maintains a ranking list https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/ . The latest helmets have a releasable layer that absorbs (converts rotational energy?) more impact. This HUD is pretty slick. In a way, it's more preventative (avoiding accidents) vs. reactive (absorbing impact in an accident) safety w…

99% of bike fatalities involve car crashes. There is no styrofoam helmet which will protect against that, and the VaTech test notably does not model that type of crash. To my knowledge, the only group that tried to test bike helmets against a car is Volvo -- and all helmets failed.

Looks like 99% of the bulletholes are in the wings here...

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by klaff »

mc3301 wrote: post #61
ethagnawl wrote: post #33

I'm sure I'm just being a crotchety old graybeard but I ride my bikes to get away from this crap. I do use Strava to track my rides on my watch but I don't even look at it until the ride is over.

I don't have strava or anything. I don't even know how long my rides are, my best times, my altitude. I just go for a ride; successfully capturing the exact feeling of riding since I was a teenager.

Amen

Re: Canyon HUD helmet for road riding

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Post by jeffbee »

andreareina wrote: post #99
jeffbee wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These things are already banned by UCI. Any kind of display has to be attached to the bike. I can see a HUD (not this one) for non-pro club riders, though. It might be nice to be able to see your stats while holding a wheel at 20+ MPH, without having to look away.

Except I've not heard of anyone using them, either online or IRL. If I'm holding a wheel my head unit is close to where I'm already looking, and the focus shift is similar to (or less than) going from the wheel in front of me to infinity where HUDs typically put things at.

Yeah I've never heard of it either. I was just trying to steelman their motivations for this demo.
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