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Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #111

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what's the alternative metric to look for as a consumer?

Few bulb manufacturers even bother to report CRI, unless it is decent (CRI > 90). If CRI is not reported, you can be sure it's bad, 80 or less. Unfortunately, there isn't really a way for a consumer to know short of buying a spectrometer like my Sekonic C-800 Spectromaster. For illustration, I have uploaded a few readings here, mostly flashlights, not LED bulbs: https://majid.info/images/reddit/spectro/ If you look a…

"C-800 Spectromaster" is exactly how specialized devices like that should be named.

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #84

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> The full Rec. 2020 color space can be reproduced only with laser projectors, because it uses monochromatic primary colors. All of the non-commercial triple laser projectors I'm aware of are single-chip DLP, so they suffer rainbow artifacts and have poor black levels. They're also liable to laser speckle[^1] if you're not careful on your screen selection. The JVC (LCoS), Sony (LcoS) and Epson (LCD) laser projectors…

Cinema RGB laser projectors are around $50,000. The cheaper non cinema versions are probably around $20,000.

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Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #84

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> The full Rec. 2020 color space can be reproduced only with laser projectors, because it uses monochromatic primary colors. All of the non-commercial triple laser projectors I'm aware of are single-chip DLP, so they suffer rainbow artifacts and have poor black levels. They're also liable to laser speckle[^1] if you're not careful on your screen selection. The JVC (LCoS), Sony (LcoS) and Epson (LCD) laser projectors…

Cinema RGB laser projectors are around $50,000. The cheaper non cinema versions are probably around $20,000.

Such as?

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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> the relation between those areas would be opposite in a uniform color space. If I understand correctly fig. 3 in [1] should be perceptually uniform. The bluegreens missing from sRGB, but present in BT.2020 comprise a sizeable chunk comparable to redyellows. [1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/345252499_Evaluatin...

Indeed, "Figure 3" from that article should be a realistic depiction of the differences between sRGB, Display P3 and BT.2020. It is true that both the red and green primary colors of sRGB are bad (because they correspond with obsolete CRT phosphors that have not been used for decades), but in practice the defects of the green primary color are much less important, because the objects with saturated green colors are m…

Maybe my brain has adapted to correct redyellow sRGB deficiencies. I was almost stunned when I saw a vivid color of the Mediterranean sea pierced by sunlight. I just looked at the video and RTX HDR video enhancement does help a bit to recreate the feeling.

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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While it is true that some saturated blue-green colors will never be reproducible with only 3 primary colors, the CIE 1931 chromaticity diagram used in TFA overemphasizes their importance, because human vision cannot distinguish many colors in that area of the diagram. In reality, the greatest defect of the sRGB color space, which is still too frequently the default color space, is that it is not able to reproduce ma…

So I need a better setup to see HN with all its true colors?

SCNR

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #111

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Few bulb manufacturers even bother to report CRI, unless it is decent (CRI > 90). If CRI is not reported, you can be sure it's bad, 80 or less. Unfortunately, there isn't really a way for a consumer to know short of buying a spectrometer like my Sekonic C-800 Spectromaster. For illustration, I have uploaded a few readings here, mostly flashlights, not LED bulbs: https://majid.info/images/reddit/spectro/ If you look a…

"C-800 Spectromaster" is exactly how specialized devices like that should be named.

It does sound a bit like the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III my uncle worked on...

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #89

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> 4k 240fps As a cinema enthusiast, I say 24 fps ought to be enough for anyone.

As a painting enthusiast, I say that's way too many. One should be enough for at least a few minutes.

As a Bill Gates fan, I categorically say 640K ought to be enough for anyone.

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #17

Its unclear to me why the color space is 2-dimensional. Why wouldn't it be a 3-dimensional space, indexed by how much each of the 3-cones is activated ? Not clear to me from the article!

There are three cones, but there is an additional constraint that we plot the colors at maximum summed luminosity. So for one cone you would just have a point; two would show a line from 0% cone A+100% cone B -> 100% cone A; three is a plane

This sounds similar to barycentric coordinates?

Re: Where to Find the Colors Your Screen Can't Show You

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post #89

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There's color space and there's color depth. You may be using D-P3 with 8 bit, which is worse (less accurate?) than sRGB with 8 bit. And there's bandwidth. Your monitor may not be able to handle 4k 240fps 16 bit.

> 4k 240fps As a cinema enthusiast, I say 24 fps ought to be enough for anyone.

As an NTSC enthusiast, I say that you should instead use a nice round number like 23.976 FPS.
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