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The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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Kids, like all humans, are subject to an uncomfortable reality that is dismissed far too often in discussions about leadership and regulations: 49% of all people are less intelligent than the average person.

What if 10% of all people are indistinguishably of average intelligence?

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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What a joke. Throwing around auth casually like this normalizes it.

The UK is an actual movie trope for pushing more and more authoritarian with their massive amount of surveillance and petty regulations and restrictions. I don't think it is a joke at all, they have been continuously moving that way the last few decades. Just because some places are or were at one time worse that doesn't absolve the UK from guilt.

You're getting swept up in a narrative that doesn't reflect reality. Public surveillance cameras and "petty regulation" are not authoritarian. The UK has a crime problem and these are needed to maintain some sense of public order, the government is democratically elected and the people are not opposed to these nor is there any wide spread abuse of this.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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Massively downplaying it to say "chips away" this takes a sledgehammer to the core of internet privacy. In all cases in the world where this has been done before like China or Russia, freedom is also lost shortly after. Of course people only argue one side, the stakes are losing internet privacy and freedom in the entire world if the west also succumbs to these authoritarian policies. It isn't the government's job to…

I think you’re proving my point a little. You’re treating the costs as obvious and enormous, while treating any potential benefits as essentially zero.

Revolutions have been fought over the freedom to act without constant surveillance. The obviousness and enormity of a need for privacy is well established.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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The UK is an actual movie trope for pushing more and more authoritarian with their massive amount of surveillance and petty regulations and restrictions. I don't think it is a joke at all, they have been continuously moving that way the last few decades. Just because some places are or were at one time worse that doesn't absolve the UK from guilt.

You're getting swept up in a narrative that doesn't reflect reality. Public surveillance cameras and "petty regulation" are not authoritarian. The UK has a crime problem and these are needed to maintain some sense of public order, the government is democratically elected and the people are not opposed to these nor is there any wide spread abuse of this.

They are pretty authoritarian to me. Nobody should accept constant surveillance upon them in their normal everyday lives. And petty regulations are a huge burden upon the working class who can't afford the time or money that the wealthy elite can to work through them. It is essentially a pro-wealth policy for that fact. Also crime rates way way lower now than in the past, so complaints about crime ring hollow to me, especially when you add in the fact that many crimes only exist because of the petty regulations that get foisted upon the poor. The UK's murder rate is the lowest it has been in over 50 years, and it isn't because of surveillance cameras.

And maybe if they spent more effort on improving everyone's lives instead of trying to find people to punish at any cost people would be less drawn to criminal enterprise in the first place.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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The UK is an actual movie trope for pushing more and more authoritarian with their massive amount of surveillance and petty regulations and restrictions. I don't think it is a joke at all, they have been continuously moving that way the last few decades. Just because some places are or were at one time worse that doesn't absolve the UK from guilt.

This seems like a popular law you don’t agree with though most of your country does for valid reasons. Nothing about that seems authoritarian especially with actual auth stuff on this side of the pond.

Just because politicians and rich assholes can get legislation pushed and passed that doesn't mean the people actually want it. Claiming people want what they currently deal withs just because they have "democracy" is a cop-out that has repeatedly been shown to be false across nearly every democracy in existence.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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Again, it's not a black or white issue. There is no universal constant threshold where it suddenly becomes viable. If you ask my personal opinion, I would say: - If it's not even 10% effective, don't waste any resources. Replace it with another method. - If it's 10% - 50% effective, improve it. - If it's >50% effective, it's probably fine, leave it. My point it that there can be many other shades of grey here. It's n…

Ok, then maybe what I'm saying applies to Aeolun and not you. It looks like you decided to self-insert into a critique that doesn't involve you and then decide that means the critique is wrong.

No, it applies to Aeolun. That was my original point. You asked me my personal opinion and changed the goal post when I replied.

Also yes, that's how online forums work. I'm surprised that you haven't figured it out yourself even though you self-inserted into a critique of the social media ban that doesn't involve you.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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This seems like a popular law you don’t agree with though most of your country does for valid reasons. Nothing about that seems authoritarian especially with actual auth stuff on this side of the pond.

Just because politicians and rich assholes can get legislation pushed and passed that doesn't mean the people actually want it. Claiming people want what they currently deal withs just because they have "democracy" is a cop-out that has repeatedly been shown to be false across nearly every democracy in existence.

It has 90% public support and rightfully so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/15/world/europe/uk-social-me...

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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Ok, then maybe what I'm saying applies to Aeolun and not you. It looks like you decided to self-insert into a critique that doesn't involve you and then decide that means the critique is wrong.

No, it applies to Aeolun. That was my original point. You asked me my personal opinion and changed the goal post when I replied. Also yes, that's how online forums work. I'm surprised that you haven't figured it out yourself even though you self-inserted into a critique of the social media ban that doesn't involve you.

Adding commentary is way different than coming after someone.

You're acting like I accused you of black or white thinking. If you caught a stray, it's because of interpellation.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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Alright covers a broad spectrum of properties. Most teachers have been asking for more resources for decades, warning of the consequences of not doing so. It seems a little on the nose to ignore their warnings and when the consequences manifest opt to blame something else entirely.

I can't remember which state it was but they spent 2/3+ of the entire states education budget on one underperming school district. In the end they ended up with new buildings but the scores went down because school spending isn't actually correlated with student success.

Buildings don't relate to student scores, they relate to how many students you can teach. If the new buildings house the same number, as before but were actually required then they spent money on basic human dignity. If the buildings were not required, the money was wasted. That is the opposite of spending it on resources.

Teachers, more of them, with more training is one of the main things that is needed. Increase the amount of one on one time. Adjust the curriculum to what each student needs. Measure the improvement in individual students, not the improvement in the mean of the lot of them.

Only teach things after the principles that they depend upon have been learned.

Re: The UK's Teen Social Media Ban Is Political Theater, Not Child Safety Policy

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If you can't go into a strip club unless you're 18, why can't the government say you can't go to a strip club website unless you're 18? The government does government things. This doesn't seem like something crazy.

TL;DR don't make everyone prove they're an adult (and thus who they are). Put the kids into the daycare if that's what you want the law to be. -- Don't let the kids wander Las Vegas / the adult section of town (the Internet) unsupervised? Or even better: Have any website that's intended for children make a Legal Claim that they are rated Child Safe / Friendly so they fall under Advertising Law coverage and/or solicit…

The last option is the only correct one. A simple HTTP header would do the trick.
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