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So what does one of these full time data center jobs look like, day to day? If I’m a software engineer I feel like I’d have to move and get a pay decrease to actually work at one of these? I mean until AI finally puts me out of a job. I guess I wouldn’t really be qualified to work one of these jobs?
There are little to no SWEs in a large AWS datacenter.
> Amazon is also committing over $7 million in direct community contributions 7 million dollars is peanuts for amazon btw
(from Les Misérables)
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My goal is to point out to you that it's very easy to self educate on this topic, your next step is to open Google up, or talk to your favorite LLM! I'm merely pointing out that it's trivial to start gathering that information.
This question was posed after trying to "easily" educate myself on this topic and not coming up with anything other than that same article about Microsoft's data center and vague references to data center operators "intending" to use closed-loop cooling. I did not ask the question to others without first trying to research it myself. Again, I ask, where are you getting the 60-80% number?
https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/closed-loop-co...
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This question was posed after trying to "easily" educate myself on this topic and not coming up with anything other than that same article about Microsoft's data center and vague references to data center operators "intending" to use closed-loop cooling. I did not ask the question to others without first trying to research it myself. Again, I ask, where are you getting the 60-80% number?
I'm sorry to hear you're struggling. I see dozens of sources of information. Here's another! https://www.oracle.com/news/announcement/blog/closed-loop-co...
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Because it's pretty evident that all these data centers are primarily intended to eliminate jobs and make more trillionaires and destroy democracy, and the positive stuff (like solving unsolved math problems) doesn't remotely justify that.
If they also solve fusion, famine, climate disaster, cancer, dementia and child development disorders it isn’t as clear cut
—Sparta
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The sheer size of and resource consumption to build and operate them. Most people can't really understand the numbers in question due to their size. It's like that picture of 1 million dollars in $100's stacked up on a pallet, then 1 billion and 1 trillion. But instead of worthless paper, it is consuming huge swaths of the limited fresh water on the planet, creating the largest natural gas power plants in the world,…
Beef consumption dwarfs data centers in terms of environmental damage for no good reason and does much worse things to water, but nobody cares cuz beef is a status symbol for people. AI is easy to hate and requires no sacrifice. But giving up red meat is kind of tough so nobody does it.
AI data centers dwarf any previous data centers you know about
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The sheer size of and resource consumption to build and operate them. Most people can't really understand the numbers in question due to their size. It's like that picture of 1 million dollars in $100's stacked up on a pallet, then 1 billion and 1 trillion. But instead of worthless paper, it is consuming huge swaths of the limited fresh water on the planet, creating the largest natural gas power plants in the world,…
It’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about. Data centers don’t use water.
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The datacenter is still heating the atmosphere and consuming enormous amounts of electricity, which also heats the atmosphere. And it still won't solve our global climate disaster and is far more likely to contribute to a lot of bad things happening for humans.
Compared to what? Meat consumption? Land use regulations? This stuff is just not a drop in the bucket in comparison to the decisions we actually tell our government to make.
When these days centers say they use (x) MW/GW, that is all turning into heat, with some additional (%) on top for inefficiencies.
And don't forget, they are literally making the largest natural gas power plants. Which in turn generate a fuck ton of heat to make the power because they burn gas to heat water to turn it into steam to turn a turbine... Which in itself is another +30%-60% of heat on top of what ever number they quote for power because of the inefficiencies.
So for every MW, it's really 1.3-1.6MW of heating, then they use that 1 MW to power the cooling systems or the server clusters. So for every 1MW of power use, it's on the order of 2.3-2.6x of heat generated.
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100% of the water that is 'used up' in a datacenter, or even in electrical generation, is evaporated into the atmosphere. The same one where the rain comes from. Everywhere East of the Rockies, they don't even have droughts, so that seems like a lot of area where we can use a lot of water with basically no impact because it's all just coming back into the water cycle directly as opposed to ending up in a water treatm…
> Everywhere East of the Rockies, they don't even have droughts What? https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/
Like the water situation east of the rockies has been pretty bad... It just ain't the desert that you get over in California or Arizona