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Post by Avshalom »

cptroot wrote: post #80
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the end result of decades snake oil moguls empowered by orin hatch What did Hatch do (I mostly know him as the paid servant of the copyright industry)?

This is likely about Orin Hatch's dedication to the idea of a "balanced federal budget", to be paid for with program cuts instead of taxation.

Oh no, he's just straight up the guy that keeps it legal to sell cyanide-rich apricot kernels as anti-cancer meds*

*statement not evaluated by the FDA

Re: Measles surge in Utah sparks fears US could undo decades of progress

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

throwa356262 wrote: post #11
chasil wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It erases immune memory, taking away antibodies to recently exposed diseases. It's best not to get it.

Wait, measles erases antibody memory? First of all, this is scary. Secondly, I wonder if it hase the same effect on autoimmune disease?

It’s crazy that in the past year, I’ve been hearing MAGA hold measles parties yikes!

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Post by jdw64 »

convolvatron wrote: post #96
jdw64 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deeply agree with your statement. In fact, I think science teaches a specific methodology and a specific mental model for viewing the world. However, the scientific method is a shareable verification procedure, whereas scientists' mental models are fragmented depending on individuals or schools of thought. So I think modern science is a collection of elaborately designed mental models for interpreting phenomena. Th…

this is a huge point of frustration to me. the anti-science populist is resentful that science has claimed the mantle of authority to decide what is right. but all of the scientists I know personally, while they have a massive background context about phenomenon aren't claiming any such thing. they are struggling with methodological problems and just hoping to get an interesting glimpse about what's actually going on…

First, I'll give you an upvote. However, when we talk about things, we always look for the good people around us, and when we talk about our own identity or the people we admire, we tend to see only the good side. I understand your frustration and anger, and I believe that the vast majority of people are good. But aside from that, there have been cases where scientists acted because of corporate greed. There's DuPont's PFAS, and there's the tobacco industry. The moral corruption of a small number of such people affects the image of the vast majority to which that small number belongs, after all

Re: Measles surge in Utah sparks fears US could undo decades of progress

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Post by m463 »

The most severe direct complications from measles are pneumonia, encephalitis, and blindness. One to three out of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurological complications.

also...

Suppression of the immune system by measles lasts about two years and has been epidemiologically implicated in an increase in childhood mortality from other infectious diseases during this period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles#Complications

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Post by andrekandre »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #56
jdw64 wrote: post #14

Why do problems caused by anti scientific behavior occur in a country like the United States, which has so many outstanding scientists? From a third party perspective, I wonder if it's because, as stratification has progressed in the US, distrust of the social class that scientists belong to has led people to deny even their achievements. Why does distrust arise toward the institutions and hierarchies that speak for…

The fact that there are so many people standing for a pro-science position is precisely the right circumstance for this situation. The GOP has fully adopted the alt-right playbook. Here's how it works: 1. Publicly announce that you hold an overtly bad position. 2. Reasonable people begin to argue with you. 3. Bicker with them about it instead of arguing. 4. Illustrate that your in-group is divided from their out-grou…

that reminds me of the 'war on christmas'... what happened with that anyway, iirc it dropped off around the time of obama's birth certificate...

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Post by thrance »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #43
wnevets wrote: post #30

According this administration forever chemicals are good but vaccines for deadly diseases are bad.

Any position you take that gets people to argue with you. Engagement is the currency of politics, today more than ever.

Also, distrust of educated elites and rejection of rationality are long-standing features of reactionary politics.

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Post by thrance »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #68
cineticdaffodil wrote: post #53

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> time, to accept the retardation, as a permanent fixture. Every 3 generations Why? Previous generations didn’t have to accept this. This is entirely a product of ad-fueled social media.

There have been reactionary waves before social media was even a thing. The progression of fascism and the rejection of rationality that comes with it are well understood, blaming it all on social media is a little cheap.

If you really want culprits, look at the right-wing populists that have been peddling anti-education and anti-science fearmongering for decades, and the patrons, who finance their campaigns and buy media after media to platform their propaganda.

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Post by guilhas »

throwa356262 wrote: post #11
chasil wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It erases immune memory, taking away antibodies to recently exposed diseases. It's best not to get it.

Wait, measles erases antibody memory? First of all, this is scary. Secondly, I wonder if it hase the same effect on autoimmune disease?

Such a serious effect I would expect tons of research on it. And being commonly known

But it is a seemingly new symptom being attributed to measles

Between that and doctors refusing to diagnose long covid or lyme disease. Which have a much bigger link to immune disorders

One would think someone is trying to muddy the waters. Or accidentally misattributing

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Post by dessimus »

jdw64 wrote: post #14

Why do problems caused by anti scientific behavior occur in a country like the United States, which has so many outstanding scientists? From a third party perspective, I wonder if it's because, as stratification has progressed in the US, distrust of the social class that scientists belong to has led people to deny even their achievements. Why does distrust arise toward the institutions and hierarchies that speak for…

>Why do problems caused by anti scientific behavior occur in a country like the United States, which has so many outstanding scientists?

Simple answer, consider the normal distribution bell curve, the more outstanding scientists we have, means the bell curve shifts up to cover the larger population, not to the right. So if the US has a longer tail on high end of scientific reasoning, it also requires a longer tail on the low end, too.

Another way to think about it, the world's 1st trillionaire isn't bringing the bottom up, if anything, it's very much doing the opposite.

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