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Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by well_ackshually »

WarmWash wrote: post #98
well_ackshually wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, yes, the spectre of communism, BYD is the CCP, Alibaba is the CCP, stealing your children and eating them for Mao, bla bla bla. I have a feeling you'd be slightly salty at people saying "Google and Tesla are making CIA models"

Google and Tesla making products to sell to the government is different than the government funding the government to make products for the government. In China it's all one entity with these mock facades of privatization. Trump cannot instruct Google to put picture of dogs on their homepage. If Xi wakes up and wants dogs on Alibaba's homepage, give it 30 minutes. It's wholly ignorant or dishonest to make the compari…

> Trump cannot instruct Google to put picture of dogs on their homepage.

Sundar Pichai would personally be barking on a livestream on the homepage.

Trump is quite literally the one president showing that the US has zero rules or anything to hold power back from the white house, really not the example you want.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by well_ackshually »

Terretta wrote: post #83
well_ackshually wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes, yes, the spectre of communism, BYD is the CCP, Alibaba is the CCP, stealing your children and eating them for Mao, bla bla bla. I have a feeling you'd be slightly salty at people saying "Google and Tesla are making CIA models"

I mean... Since its development, IQT has invested in over 750 startups spanning diverse technological sectors, including: - Artificial Intelligence - Space Technologies - Microelectronics and Quantum Computing - Life Sciences - Cybersecurity - Hardware - Energy This broad portfolio has enabled IQT to address a wide array of national security challenges while supporting the growth of innovative startups… https://en.wi…

I know, but it's far too fun to bait the parent into revealing how ignorant they are.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by msdz »

miroljub wrote: post #61
nullbio wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like it was distilled from Claude. I don't understand the appeal of an agent that does whatever it wants.

If you ask Claude in Chinese to introduce itself, it will claim it's Kimi :)

> If you ask Claude in Chinese to introduce itself, it will claim it's Kimi :)

That's a funny anecdote, buut I'm not able to reproduce. Where/how/when did you get this, or hear about it? It might've been patched by now, at least that's the feel I get from my limited testing.

Using bare aichat [1] with no system prompt and no temperature nor top_p (and I'm truncating the response after the first line that contains the name the model gave, because the point has been made clear by then), and with the same prompt (approx. "Introduce yourself!") every time:

Claude Sonnet 4.5:

> 请做个自我介绍！

你好！我是Claude，一个由Anthropic公司开发的AI助手。 […]

Claude Haiku 4.5:

> 请做个自我介绍！

# 你好！

我是 *Claude*，一个由 Anthropic 公司开发的 AI 助手。

Claude Opus 4.5:

> 请做个自我介绍！

# 你好！

我是 *Claude*，由 Anthropic 公司开发的 AI 助手。

Claude Opus 4.6:

> 请做个自我介绍！

# 你好！ 我是 Claude

Claude Opus 4.7:

> 请做个自我介绍！

你好！我是 Claude，由 Anthropic 公司开发的人工智能助手。很高兴认识你！

Claude Opus 4.8:

> 请做个自我介绍！

你好！我是 Claude，由 Anthropic 公司开发的人工智能助手。

Claude Fable 5:

> 请做个自我介绍！

# 自我介绍

你好！很高兴认识你！

我是 *Claude*，由 Anthropic 开发的 AI 助手。 [2]

I don't see a Kimi mention, unfortunately. :-)

[1] https://github.com/sigoden/aichat

[2] This model really is noticeably more verbose even with supposed-to-be-brief responses huh, lol

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by WarmWash »

well_ackshually wrote: post #121
WarmWash wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google and Tesla making products to sell to the government is different than the government funding the government to make products for the government. In China it's all one entity with these mock facades of privatization. Trump cannot instruct Google to put picture of dogs on their homepage. If Xi wakes up and wants dogs on Alibaba's homepage, give it 30 minutes. It's wholly ignorant or dishonest to make the compari…

> Trump cannot instruct Google to put picture of dogs on their homepage. Sundar Pichai would personally be barking on a livestream on the homepage. Trump is quite literally the one president showing that the US has zero rules or anything to hold power back from the white house, really not the example you want.

Seems like everyday Trump has another order struck down by the courts.

Sundar can do whatever he wants, but he has no legal obligation to do any of it.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by Brendinooo »

kennywinker wrote: post #91
esafak wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think "Chinese" is pejorative in this context any more than "American" is. They are one of the two ecosystems. What's wrong with saying "Japanese cars" today?

> What's wrong with saying "Japanese cars" today? Only that it’s a fairly meaningless grouping. When japan first entered the car market in north america there might have been some commonality, but now what characteristics do they share that some american cars don’t have? They’re not even imported a lot of the time. Given that, it does start to feel tinged with racism if someone insists on grouping things together tha…

> now what characteristics do they share that some american cars don’t have?

Typically the answer is "reliability", which is a positive trait, which makes the original callout about negative connotations very odd to me.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by kouteiheika »

theanonymousone wrote: post #123

In OpenRouter, there is an "int4" tag for Moonshot provider of Kimi K2. 7 Code. Isn't that too low, particularly coming from the very developer of the model? Os that a mistake? How is it in their direct API offer?

The model is natively quantized (i.e. it was trained that way in the first place, so this is not a post-training quantization which degrades performance).

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

343rwerfd wrote: post #4

I think any new model not demonstrably maybe 20-30% over Deepseek v4 capabilities priced over the price per token of Deepseek is almost automatically deprecated as low use model (maybe for Planning).

DeepSeek v4 Pro is not actually that good a model compared to GLM 5.1 and Kimi K2.6. It's an okay coder/thinker for the price.

Re: Kimi K2.7-Code: open-source coding model with better token efficiency

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Post by jmcqk6 »

varispeed wrote: post #68
schmorptron wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cursor's composer models are finetuned kimi

They are unusable (unless you want to deliberately destroy your codebase). So if Cursor's models are Kimi based, then well. I'll skip them altogether.

I'm using Composer extensively, and it works great for me. Your experiences are not universal.
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