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Post by Rumudiez »

RankingMember wrote: post #70
Rumudiez wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's crazy. my 2005 volvo, 1991 nissan, and 1986 toyota altogether cost me a little over $1k per year (mostly insurance) and it was less than $10k total to buy them all. goes to show average financial literacy in the US. people won't save a few grand for a used car (or take out a small loan even!) and then pay 10x the cost for new

I think you and I may be a rarity. Most people seem to value having new vehicles, and I don't say that dismissively- there's definitely something to be said for modern safety features as vehicles continue to grow bigger and heavier.

true, not all of these are created equal. that old volvo has side curtain airbags and other safety features that were ahead of its time. but it takes experience to know what you're shopping for. I turned down a corolla that was 10 years newer for the same price because the older volvo was actually the better vehicle inside and out

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Post by DonsDiscountGas »

Pseudocrat wrote: post #85
bkruse wrote: post #82

I used Waymo about 10 times in Austin - it was great. I wish they'd accelerate the rollout to other cities. I wonder what the major technical hurdles are for launching in a new city?

Well, recently in Austin Waymo cars blocked emergency services during a mass shooting event. That may be causing other cities some caution.

America in a nutshell. We won't do anything about mass shooting events besides hold up deployment of a life saving technology.

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Post by dyauspitr »

libria wrote: post #48
joshgachnang wrote: post #33

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Car payment, insurance, parking, gas/electricity? Going to be over $400/mo in almost all cases in any of the cities Waymo is in.

Add tag tax, residential parking, subsidized work parking, maintenance, incurred violations, tolls. 400/mo or 5000/yr for not having to worry about all that plus never playing the "wait let's circle the block, maybe a spot has opened up" game... sounds tempting.

But you get two rides a day. You’re gonna be stuck in your little quadrant your whole life.

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Post by Rumudiez »

tjohns wrote: post #62
cortesoft wrote: post #60

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You don’t pay for gas? Oil changes? New tires? Air filters?

Oil changes cost like $35/year if you do it yourself. Decent tires last 4-5 years, so that's like $100/year (to be generous). Air filters are so cheap and need replacement so infrequently as to not even be worth counting.

yep, it's dirt cheap to maintain yourself. and only a few hours per vehicle per year tbh. lots of people on hn don't know basic real life skills so this all seems insurmountable to them, and there's the ev cope that somehow your 60+ grand car is going to save you money in gas and maintenance in the long run. I have 8 cars and motorcyles for less than the cost of that one car lmao

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Post by DonsDiscountGas »

readams wrote: post #66
yodon wrote: post #61

I'd be more interested in a $29/month surcharge if Waymo weren't already significantly more expensive than Uber/Lyft to begin with.

When you consider the required tipping, the cost is quite close. And the Waymo is nicer.

What's your definition of "required". I usually don't tip ride share drivers

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Post by arjie »

boarsofcanada wrote: post #89

$30/mo is slightly mind boggling for this. I’ve enjoyed the ~70 or so Waymo rides I have taken but to me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort. My feet, BART, and SFMuni are my primary methods of transportation and for $104/mo I can take an unlimited number of trips, usually very conveniently.

The biggest advantage with public transit is that your mind is not engaged driving. But at some point, the speed advantage is overwhelming. And eventually the price advantage dominates. Taking my family and grandparents to the airport is $40 by car^W rideshare and $45 by BART and twice the amount of time for me: I live upstairs from a T-train / Caltrain stop. I'd invite anyone to price out the difference themselves.

Inside San Francisco, using public transit except for directly between BART stops is incredibly slow. For almost all journeys e-bikes dominate the speed discussion, and cars are second. The biggest constraint for us that made us take public transit is that our child was too young for a bike and we'd still only take it to Union Square.

I spent over a decade on a bicycle plus Muni/BART Fastpass and it's pretty good for the price if you're single and stay inside the city. As such a person I could crack open a book and a 15 min from Glen Park to Montgomery St. was the same as a 1 h from Montgomery to El Cerrito (the latter even preferable).

But the various policy choices popular in San Francisco (intentionally high labour usage, ill and violent people in public spaces, low cleaning capacity) do act against transit being a good choice. By comparison, I have family in Vancouver, BC where the politics are similar but the policy is different and the trains run very often and are fast (these are the most important things - made possible by removing labor from the equation) and are relatively clean. People will offer you a seat when you hop on with your stroller, elevators are functional and relatively clean, and it's overall a lot more usable as a family.

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Post by dyauspitr »

applicative wrote: post #42
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #30

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That sounds more expensive than just owning a car.

"the total average annual cost of ownership—which includes your car payment, depreciation, fuel, insurance, maintenance, and taxes—is approximately $12,297 per year (or $1,025 monthly) over a 15-year lifetime"

This is skewed horribly by the top end.

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Post by arjie »

kotaKat wrote: post #69
jimkleiber wrote: post #24

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Like Waymo meets Zipcar?

That actually sorta? exists! Vay uses remotely teleoperated vehicles in Vegas to drop off your rental, then take it away once you're done. https://vay.io/

You're kidding. This cannot be real. I can't wait to try it, if it is somehow real.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by jbmchuck »

boarsofcanada wrote: post #89

$30/mo is slightly mind boggling for this. I’ve enjoyed the ~70 or so Waymo rides I have taken but to me Waymo, Uber, and Lyft are methods of last resort. My feet, BART, and SFMuni are my primary methods of transportation and for $104/mo I can take an unlimited number of trips, usually very conveniently.

It seems to me a lot of people just really don't like to be associated with public transit or anything associated with anything remotely underclass.

It's a class marker to be driven around in an autonomous 6000lbs tank rather than move your legs a bit.

Re: Waymo Premier

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Post by abirch »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #119
ErroneousBosh wrote: post #30

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That sounds more expensive than just owning a car.

Even if it is expensive, it's much more convenient

+1 for convenience. My commute is 60 minutes of train + walking. I prefer that to driving for 30 minutes where I can't read or create.
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