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Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by tim333 »

scihuber wrote: post #48

I hope the EU population understands that Russia, the US, and China are essentially in a kind of military alliance, and that Ukraine is literally the only one openly opposing this alliance. If the EU wants Ukraine to shield it from drones, send more air defense systems. If the EU wants to end the war, give Ukraine more long-range missiles. If you want Ukraine to hold on, then spend money on rebuilding its infrastruct…

I think it's more they lean towards the 'great powers' viewpoint that they are great and so have the right to bully smaller countries near them.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by t0bia_s »

tim333 wrote: post #115
Markoff wrote: post #113

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By defending ourselves you mean defending my own family or being some pawn in politicians game dying for their wishes? I am willing to defend my family. I am certainly not even willing to defend ANY country just because local politicians are afraid of incoming new management, no matter whether it's my home country or country where I currently reside, I have no allegiance to any country, only to my family. Sadly major…

The history of not defending against incoming new management is not good for zero wars - google Sudetenland for example. If you want zero wars you're probably better being like Switzerland - defend your own country but don't go fighting abroad.

Incoming new management works only because some willing to fight for greater good, safety... whatever establishment propagate.

Not sure why you mention Sudetland?

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by danaris »

leonidasrup wrote: post #76
danaris wrote: post #61

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> if Russia launches an offensive against the EU With what ? Russia has been wringing itself out to find enough soldiers to continue the war in Ukraine, and while they haven't been driven out just yet, I think it would be somewhere between "a massive stretch" and "flat-out untrue" to say they're winning . And by and large, the rest of Europe is farther away, has a much worse/less clear casus belli from Russia's point…

Don't underestimate the potential for a Russian dictator to cause suffering for his own people. The war in Ukraine is currently in stalemate and for Russia the most deadly war since WW2, but Russia until now didn't execute full mobilization and full scale war. The cost of full scale war would be terrible, deaths in WW2 were counted in millions (for both soldiers and civilians). Russia didn't launch an offensive again…

> Don't underestimate the potential for a Russian dictator to cause suffering for his own people.

Oh, I don't, believe me! But the thing is, Putin is already doing this.

AIUI, he has been conscripting soldiers to fight in Ukraine for quite some time—to the point that he's had a hard time finding more conscripts already. I don't think there's much more he can do to force Russians onto the battlefield for him, wherever that battlefield is.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by tim333 »

shevy-java wrote: post #5

> Europeans embrace self-reliance and are clear-eyed about Donald Trump—but do not expect a permanent break from the US. That's a wrong analysis IMO. I think NATO as it was is completely dead. Europeans need a nuclear arsenal too (french and UK nukes are for those two countries only; that does not protect several hundred millions people). Russia is threatening escalation every day, including using nukes. Europeans ne…

NATO is an alliance of 32 democracies. You have to expect those to elect duff leaders from time to time but the thing goes on.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by tim333 »

t0bia_s wrote: post #122
tim333 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The history of not defending against incoming new management is not good for zero wars - google Sudetenland for example. If you want zero wars you're probably better being like Switzerland - defend your own country but don't go fighting abroad.

Incoming new management works only because some willing to fight for greater good, safety... whatever establishment propagate. Not sure why you mention Sudetland?

It was an area they let Hitler effectively occupy without going to war. The Donetsk People's Republic of its day. Not fighting over that only delayed the main war a little.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by palmotea »

piva00 wrote: post #101
palmotea wrote: post #94

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> The comment is just asking for evidence. I am curious too. Given "before 2006" includes the entire history of Soviet espionage , that's kinda like demanding evidence that the sun rises in the East. It's very obvious that Soviet espionage would have supported far-left groups in the West, so if you want evidence you should probably do your own research. Now the post-Soviet period in that range, 1991-2005, is a differ…

Russia != Soviet Union, even though Russia was the Soviet political-administrative center, contemporary Russia Federation is very different to the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic.

Russia was also communist in Soviet times, and it's not like the slate was completely wiped clean when the Soviet Union fell. IIRC the Russian Federation also is officially the successor state to the Soviet Union, and took on its treaty obligations, etc.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by rsynnott »

Markoff wrote: post #89
rsynnott wrote: post #85

> Worryingly, European populists are espousing more assertively anti-Ukrainian views. Viktor Orban focused his unsuccessful election campaign to remain Hungarian prime minister on that theme. Meanwhile ECFR’s polling shows that voters of the far-right Freedom Party in Austria (FPÖ), the AfD in Germany, two far-right parties in Poland, and the governing and populist Progressive Bulgaria all see Ukraine as chiefly a “r…

> Of course, note that Orban _lost_. ...to a former member of his party Magyar, who was his colleague 2 years ago in 2024. It's amusing how some people see Magyar as some big change coming to Hungary after Orban. I don't think anyone genuinely likes Russia, it's more about stop pretending we suddenly like Ukraine, you know you can dislike them both at same time, right?

He seems not to be a Russian asset. That’s a big change.

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by FunnyUsername »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #95
snowpid wrote: post #75

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Oh so the UN is a huge red flag now ? Have you seen before & after photos of Gaza ? Have you watched documentaries about the lives of Palestineans inside Israel ? If you have a shred of humanity left in you you should oppose zionism and the religious fundamentalist state that Israel has become with every fibre of your being.

> Oh so the UN is a huge red flag now ?

The UN doesn't adjudicate such matters. The ICJ does, and they have made no such finding. South Africa recently requested an 18-month extension in their "urgent" ICJ case, delaying the inevitable conclusion where the court will not find sufficient evidence of genocidal intent.

> Have you seen before & after photos of Gaza

Have you seen before & after photos of any other city where there was a prolonged modern urban war?

Re: European sentiments towards the US hit an all-time low

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

danaris wrote: post #123
leonidasrup wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't underestimate the potential for a Russian dictator to cause suffering for his own people. The war in Ukraine is currently in stalemate and for Russia the most deadly war since WW2, but Russia until now didn't execute full mobilization and full scale war. The cost of full scale war would be terrible, deaths in WW2 were counted in millions (for both soldiers and civilians). Russia didn't launch an offensive again…

> Don't underestimate the potential for a Russian dictator to cause suffering for his own people. Oh, I don't, believe me! But the thing is, Putin is already doing this . AIUI, he has been conscripting soldiers to fight in Ukraine for quite some time—to the point that he's had a hard time finding more conscripts already. I don't think there's much more he can do to force Russians onto the battlefield for him, whereve…

But he's been careful not to conscript from the big cities, for political reasons. He could raise a lot more conscripts... but there would be political consequences that he probably wouldn't like.

So there are real constraints on what Putin is able (or at least willing) to do.

Also, AIUI (and I could well be wrong), he at least says that he's not sending the conscripts to actually fight in Ukraine. Whether that's actually true... I have no data.

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