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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by newaccountman2 »

zuzululu wrote: post #115
newaccountman2 wrote: post #42

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The result of the poll in the article seems to be a soft rebuke of the kind of viewpoint you espouse. > Can Japan be called Japan without Japanese that have lived there for thousands of years and their homogeneous identity? > Why is it okay for one but not the other? Where does this double standard come from ? Disingenuous question; even people who like Japan and Japanese culture tend to dislike how xenophobic and ra…

which is why Sane Takaichi became PM ? I do think there is a clear distance from all the Japan experts on HN and reality

> which is why Sane Takaichi became PM ?

??

1. You claim (without basis or evidence) that people in the West have a double-standard about xenophobia and cultural chauvinism as between Japan and Western countries.

2. I say people in the West also dislike it in Japan and Japanese culture (more precisely, the same people who dislike racism and bigotry in the West dislike that it exists in Japan too)

3. You say "but Japan elected a right-wing bigot"

like...ok?

We don't like her and we don't like you :shrug:

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by BobaFloutist »

zuzululu wrote: post #118
rubyn00bie wrote: post #38

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Having a storied history, culture, and customs go beyond simple birthright citizenship and xenophobic behavior to enforce said culture and sense of identity. The US, for all its faults, exemplifies how unnecessary it is to rely solely on where you were born— anyone can move to the US, get citizenship, and call themselves “American.” I honestly cannot understand what “connection with the land” even means in reality. M…

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> The question was do you believe that without ethnic Japanese people you can call it Japan?

Yes, of course, ethnicity is a collection of observed physical traits. What makes Japan Japan is the way people behave, not the way they look, and behavior is not an ethnic trait, it's a cultural trait.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by djhn »

rayiner wrote: post #109
anigbrowl wrote: post #101

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It's not a matter of ideology, or of punishment. It's simply the dynamics of the system playing out. It's alienating for people inside of it because they're experiencing the effects of historical forces which operate on a scale longer than human life. OF course people would rather live in a period when things were simpler and easier, who wouldn't? The lie sold by the self-styled reformists (and doubled down upon by t…

> It's not a matter of ideology, or of punishment. It's simply the dynamics of the system playing out. It's alienating for people inside of it because they're experiencing the effects of historical forces which operate on a scale longer than human life. But British people today aren't doomed to allowing historical forces to play out. Or are you suggesting futility--that the British government lacks the state capacity…

If the government had the capacity to prevent this, they would have. It appears, therefore, that they indeed do not.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by BobaFloutist »

slashdev wrote: post #35
miltonlost wrote: post #23

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That’s a very simplistic take on a complex problem. Unrestricted immigration destroys democratic high trust societies. There is a balance to be found, as in all things. It isn’t simply diversity always good or always bad.

> Unrestricted immigration destroys democratic high trust societies.

In the United States it's pretty clearly the nativists destroying the society, the immigrants are largely baffled about what the hell we're doing to ourselves and why.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by zuzululu »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #122
zuzululu wrote: post #118

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> The question was do you believe that without ethnic Japanese people you can call it Japan? Yes, of course, ethnicity is a collection of observed physical traits. What makes Japan Japan is the way people behave , not the way they look , and behavior is not an ethnic trait, it's a cultural trait. What the fuck are you even talking about?

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by zuzululu »

rayiner wrote: post #98
10xDev wrote: post #96

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The comparisons between the two nations are always superficial. When you peel the layers of nonsense off, it is just white supremacy with a mediocre attempt at masking it.

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Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by Dig1t »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #12
Dig1t wrote: post #8

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As someone who is white british -- this isn't happening. Please stop regurgitating right wing US talk show talking points. It's boring.

Just look at the data, you say "it isn't happening" but it's easy to prove.

University of Manchester: https://hummedia.manchester.ac.uk/institutes/code/briefings/...

1990: White British 95%

2025: White British 77%

2050 (projected): White British 57%

Many parts of London the percentage in schools is already below 20%.

Here are projections for the near future:

https://www.theflyingfrisby.com/p/what-the-uk-population-wil...

Here is the data from the UK government itself:

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tab...

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by anonymousiam »

tim333 wrote: post #113
socalgal2 wrote: post #81

I'm curious what valid reasons there are against Brexit? AFAICT, most people arguing it is/was bad are ignoring any kind of evidence. The UK is doing fine, especially relative to other EU countries. None of the things the anti-Brexit side claimed would happen have happened.

It's been quite meh economically - we'd be wealthier if we'd remained. Also immigration went up which is not what a lot of Brexiters were hoping. I think a lot of the Brexit vote was just people being fed up and voting for something different. In my experience few Brexit voters are happy with what arrived.

"we'd be wealthier if we'd remained"

Briton would be even wealthier still if they had never joined the EU in the first place.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...

Re: New Referendum Would Flip Brexit Result 10 Years On, Poll Finds

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Post by surgical_fire »

zuzululu wrote: post #18

None of this should be surprising unless you've been just gobbling up whatever you heard through mainstream media. Britain is at a breaking point. There are existential questions to be asked: Is Britain British without British Bourgeoisie that have lived there for thousands of years with new arrivals that have no commmon culture or connection to the land? Can Japan be called Japan without Japanese that have lived the…

> Is Britain British without British Bourgeoisie that have lived there for thousands of years with new arrivals that have no commmon culture or connection to the land?

Thousands of years? Are you talking about celts?

Because Romans later arrived in Britannia and founded Londinium. Is it British when it was founded by those pesky Romans?

Or are you complaining about later populations, such as Vikings or Normans? I mean, they haven't been to the British isles for thousands of years. How can Britain be British with those smelly frenchmen?

Unless what you really are trying to do is complain that Britain now has too many brown people.

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