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Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by big85 »

twiclo wrote: post #62
big85 wrote: post #48

If you make law-abiding sites like Pornhub hard to access, consumers will move to black markets like the Dark Web, which hosts illegal content. As the article mentions, kids are able to bypass the age verification with ease, so it doesn't even fulfil its stated purpose. We didn't even need age verification, because parental controls have been an option the entire time.

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You're citing Fight the New Drug, a Mormon anti-porn organization whose angle was to define pornography as an addiction to justify laws banning it as a health crisis.

My point is, they operate openly and can be held accountable, as lawsuits demonstrate. The alternative to this sort of site is the Dark Web, where nobody is held accountable and the law is broken with impunity. Pornhub is by far the lesser of two evils in this context.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by esseph »

delusional wrote: post #89
tombot wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t know why there isn’t a brand that’s capitalising on this. Messaging, calls, maps, notes but no way to take or view images. Marketed simply from a global brand.

Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

> Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

Shocker, but those are probably not the people you are going to give a shit about after you leave school.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by mothballed »

delusional wrote: post #89
tombot wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t know why there isn’t a brand that’s capitalising on this. Messaging, calls, maps, notes but no way to take or view images. Marketed simply from a global brand.

Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

I knew so many kids that got into selling cigarettes, alcohol, or weed because their parents did not want to buy them things that would facilitate social integration. Most optimistically, if you don't give a kid a smart phone then they're going to mow lawns or something and get one and hide it; that scenario isn't really a bad one.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #27

"with nine out of 10 parents saying they are in favour of a ban in response to a government consultation" I wonder why those 90% of parents don't cut their children off from social media right now. They have the power to do it.

That does not mean that these parents understand the technical aspects of it.

e.g. How effective it will be: less than they might think, software is not infallible magic

What the side effects might be - more than they might think - excluding the underage means verifying the age of everyone.

So articles like this aim to raise awareness, all of this is clearly spelled out in the article.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by postexitus »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #107
pjc50 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect they don't really; once you give a teen a smartphone your control over what websites they visit ends. (you will reply "don't do that then") But also: cutting one kid off from social networks ostracises them. The parents recognize it's a collective action problem.

Don't do it then. :) It's not hard. If they need to be contacted get them a dumb phone. And yes, my kids will miss out. They will miss out on their attention span being destroyed, their ability to critically think destroyed, body issues, radicalization, horrible influences, etc... My children will miss out on all that and I'm very glad that will be the case. I'm not sure why other parents are rushing to destroy their…

I can smell the reply of someone who doesn't have a teenager from a mile. Yes, you will do everything right. Yes, your kids will be perfect. Everyone has a plan until you get punched in the face.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by mothballed »

zdragnar wrote: post #110
delusional wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part is untrue?

> and will allow you to make a call from their phone. People can be wildly reluctant to just hand over a thousand or two dollars worth of equipment to a teenager in a busy street and hope they don't run off with it. Smartphone theft is still a thing.

When I was homeless I would just ask people to call on my behalf. If it was an innocuous message about 10-50% of people would be willing to do it. I've even gotten people (complete strangers) to make phone calls for me while I was in handcuffs and everyone thought I was the bad guy but even then they were willing to make a call. You don't ask for the phone, you ask for someone to relay the message.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by ctoth »

zdragnar wrote: post #110
delusional wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part is untrue?

> and will allow you to make a call from their phone. People can be wildly reluctant to just hand over a thousand or two dollars worth of equipment to a teenager in a busy street and hope they don't run off with it. Smartphone theft is still a thing.

> People can be wildly reluctant to just hand over a thousand or two dollars worth of equipment

Who owns a $2,000 phone which isn't insured and should they really be leaving their house?

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by mothballed »

rayiner wrote: post #117
everdrive wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite a twist, no? This generations of parents are telling their children "Well all your friends are jumping off a bridge, so you need to as well."

The generations of parents who came up with the original bridge hypothetical also worked to have the government ban alcohol and cigarette sales to minors.

You can order cigars, loose tobacco and rolling papers, and wine straight to your house without any ID check, all completely legal. I did it as a minor and you can still do it today (well today you can also add "CBD" on to that list). The truth is there is no meaningful controls on teenage minors getting access to tobacco and alcohol. The limitations used are just window dressing for Karen to pretend like the government is doing something.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by HlessClaudesman »

delusional wrote: post #89
tombot wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don’t know why there isn’t a brand that’s capitalising on this. Messaging, calls, maps, notes but no way to take or view images. Marketed simply from a global brand.

Because of the ostracization problem. Kids are ruthless, and failure to conform is swiftly punished.

Parents need to weigh potential otracization against the cost of giving a smart device, which could be as high as ending their normal childhood development.

Personally I think no phones until 16 is a good rule.

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