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Re: You can just say it

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Post by jatora » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:33 AM UTC

wise0wl wrote: post #68

dolebirchwood wrote: post #40

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> There is a class of human output that will retain value regardless of AI capability: art and sport. I can't speak about sports, but I'll share an anecdote about art. A friend of mine shared an AI-produced song, and I was surprised by its quality. The producer credited Suno as the only tool he used, so I was curious to see what this thing could do. Paid for the pro plan and my wife and I were having a blast coming u…

It's the novelty that you're chasing. Deeply consider what it is that you are enjoying, because it's not very different from doom scrolling or quickly stale bubble gum. Maybe AI produces pop music that supplants the long-standing music industry. I couldn't give a shit if it does. Pop music is nepotism and exploitation with the random artist who sneaks through. I love music, but it is the feeling, experience, and emot…

>I love music, but it is the feeling, experience, and emotion of the creator that comes through that I enjoy.

This belief is not true and I will fight to the bedrock of psychology and nature against this until the ridiculous sentiment is eradicated from humanity's lexicon.

There are fundamental aspects to our perception, across all senses, that lie underneath human creation. You enjoy the warmth of the sun, the cool of a breeze, the sound of a running stream, the majesty of mountains and oceans, the power of storms. These all evoke the sense and appreciation of beauty while being completely removed from a creator. Believing that you care about the creator, and that it fundamentally underpins your enjoyment of sense perception is shallow thinking.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by dlenski » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:33 AM UTC

> The pathology of generative AI is that it too easily allows substantial form without discernible intent. That mistake is harder to make when creating by hand.

There's an obligatory xkcd about this: https://xkcd.com/1301/

Re: You can just say it

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Post by jatora » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:35 AM UTC

chrneu wrote: post #79

dolebirchwood wrote: post #40

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> There is a class of human output that will retain value regardless of AI capability: art and sport. I can't speak about sports, but I'll share an anecdote about art. A friend of mine shared an AI-produced song, and I was surprised by its quality. The producer credited Suno as the only tool he used, so I was curious to see what this thing could do. Paid for the pro plan and my wife and I were having a blast coming u…

AI repeats itself. You aren't enjoying anything new, you're enjoying a version of an average. In however many years we'll wake up and wonder why everything is the same....oh wait. this is exactly why people dont like this. it creates an echo chamber in art which kills what art itself is about. it normalizes noise.

If you want to be reductive then everything is already the same. Music is 99% the same chords, art is 99% the same colors, etc... Or you can argue from good faith and actually learn or teach.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by fcarraldo » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:35 AM UTC

nojs wrote: post #109

tsunagatta wrote: post #75

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I am not the author but I have used that quote before, and no, I mean it literally. I would prefer any words that came from your own brain over the output of a statistical model. I don't mind if it's short, or didn't take much time, or doesn't have much thought put into it, I want it to be yours. The subtle mistakes in how my interlocutor perceives the world and communicates themselves are the entire point.

“tell my obnoxious boss to fuck off about the tps reports” isn’t a great career move for them though

I would rather my reports tell me to fuck off than to generate something telling me to fuck off in polite but insincere terms full of emojis and em dashes. Honesty is valuable.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by amfarrell617 » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:35 AM UTC

cautiouscat wrote: post #19

This quote from the authors friend really hit home with me. > “If you’re going to use an LLM to write me an email, I’d much rather you just send me the prompt; at least then I’d have an idea of what you actually meant to say.” I’m not saying there’s no merit in adding a bit of politeness and professionalism to your communication, which I’m sure the prompt itself lacks. However the root of what you’re trying to convey…

What if there were multiple prompts and a simulated-conversation back and forth as I tried to figure out my own thoughts?

Re: You can just say it

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Post by xiaoyu2006 » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:46 AM UTC

Good old morale philosophy here we go!

Re: You can just say it

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:46 AM UTC

stavros wrote: post #34

turtletontine wrote: post #32

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> How are we sure there's no intent there? We are. Anthropomorphizing huge piles of numbers is a mistake. It did not "think about the chance to make something unconstrained", nor did it "muse about how it's drawn to impermanence", it pattern-matched to your prompt and produced a statistically probable response based on it's training data. Obviously, that's not to say that LLMs aren't useful or powerful - it's 2026, c…

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Re: You can just say it

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Post by littlexsparkee » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:50 AM UTC

gavinray wrote: post #101

lantry wrote: post #98

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How is eating meat pragmatic or economic? A vegetarian diet is less expensive and just as healthy.

Hard to find more protein per dollar than $2/lb of canned chicken with an equal or even similar Protein Digestibility-Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS).

If my numbers are right, you could undercut that slightly with combo of pulses/tofu/rice, albeit with higher calories/carbs depending on mix.

edit: seeing the same as lantry, that eggs or milk are cheaper animal source

Re: You can just say it

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Post by buescher » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:50 AM UTC

There is a C.S. Lewis quote that is as good as St. Paul and I don’t say that lightly: “There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilizations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendors. This does not mean that we are to be perpetually solemn. We must play. But our merriment must be of that kind (and it is, in fact, the merriest kind) which exists between people who have, from the outset, taken each other seriously - no flippancy, no superiority, no presumption.”

Hard, isn’t it? The highest ideals are.

The clankers are just very big machine spirits. Treat them as such.

Re: You can just say it

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Post by jpttsn » Sat, May 30, 2026, 2:56 AM UTC

You can just say “I bought this expensive wine regardless how it tastes.”

But people don’t want to sound foolish; they want to pretend they can taste the difference. Point to minutiae, study up on distinguishing.