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Post by wtetzner »

cj wrote: post #106
mmh0000 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think most people, and definitely myself, when they sign up to be an organ donor, they think of the liver, kidney, and heart. Things that will help other people. Not the brain, the center of conscience, being kept in some sort of horror-movie half-alive state. I do not think we understand consciousness enough to rule out what those brains are experiencing.

> half-alive state The brain can't be "half-alive" after you've died.

> I do not think we understand consciousness enough to rule out what those brains are experiencing.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by tredre3 »

rottencupcakes wrote: post #10
mark242 wrote: post #6

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If "we will opt everyone in because otherwise we won't get enough data because we know users won't opt in" is your business model, maybe it's time for a rethink.

Defaults matter. Opt-in vs opt-out organ donorship has a large impact. Most people on any web app won’t stray from the defaults.

Organ donation saves lives at no cost to you (because at this point you're dead).

It's unclear if my private data being used for training has a cost to me, but I'm giving posthog money already. They shouldn't double dip.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by tredre3 »

vovavili wrote: post #51
brauhaus wrote: post #19

Every day I'm more glad about EU legislation, that's all I have to say for now

...until you learn the rates of economic development between Europe and the US since 2008.

Yes the amount of fiscal growth in America is very impressive. Yet quality of life is higher in Europe. I wonder why that is?

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by abustamam »

mmh0000 wrote: post #93
abustamam wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off topic but I'm curious what's evil about that article. Bizarre, sure, but evil? They took a brain (an organ) from a dead person who had previously given consent to use their organs for that purpose.

I think most people, and definitely myself, when they sign up to be an organ donor, they think of the liver, kidney, and heart. Things that will help other people. Not the brain, the center of conscience, being kept in some sort of horror-movie half-alive state. I do not think we understand consciousness enough to rule out what those brains are experiencing.

That's fair. Personally I wouldn't mind, but when you put it that way it makes sense people would be wary. Kind of reminds me of the series Pantheon, which is amazing but also kinda disturbing for similar reasons.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by abustamam »

rectang wrote: post #102
abustamam wrote: post #88

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I've encountered large party service charges and that makes sense because it usually requires staff to do stuff they wouldn't normally do for smaller parties. I'm talking about restaurants that just add service charge to everyone.

I think the lesson from the airline industry is that while consumers will get angry about surcharges, pricing transparency is what really gets punished in the marketplace. There are enough consumers who will always buy the deceptively priced item that it's suicidal to tell the truth (absent government regulation forcing the issue for all purveyors). There are a fair number of well-meaning restaurateurs who have tried…

Kinda reminds me of when Burger King had a 1/3 lb burger and a 1/4 lb burger and more people bought the 1/4 lb because they thought it was more burger than the (rightfully) more expensive 1/3 lb burger.

The average consumer can't do math.

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Post by trollbridge »

teraflop wrote: post #63
sixtyj wrote: post #4

Most companies would bury this change in a deceptively boring T&Cs update, but we value transparency, so here's what you need to know in an internet-friendly numbered list: Users on our EU cloud instance are opted out by default So too users with agreements that prevent training (e.g. BAA, MSA, or similar) All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default We will anonymize all data before it's used for…

> All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default Cool, cool. Glad to see that you are the arbiter of what your users have "opted" to do, and their input isn't required. While we're at it, I'm going to "volunteer" your time to rebuild my patio this weekend. You don't need to worry about volunteering, I've done it for you.

If you send a postcard by Friday 5:00 PM, you can opt out of helping me with my patio. This is a one time offer; if you don’t, you have to help me every weekend for forever.

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Post by shafyy »

codersfocus wrote: post #55
hyperbovine wrote: post #44

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I sincerely hope this never comes to pass, but you or your loved ones may someday find themselves in the position of wishing more people were opted in for organ donation. The same cannot be said for some random corporation training AI models off your data to make a buck or two.

I think it might be better to get rid of the organ *donation* system entirely. Organ transplant surgery costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, yet donors get zilch, which is completely unfair when everyone else in the value chain gets paid. If instead it was "allow my organs to be sold for my estate" I think the supply of organs would greatly increase, which would be win/win.

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Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by shafyy »

sixtyj wrote: post #4

Most companies would bury this change in a deceptively boring T&Cs update, but we value transparency, so here's what you need to know in an internet-friendly numbered list: Users on our EU cloud instance are opted out by default So too users with agreements that prevent training (e.g. BAA, MSA, or similar) All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default We will anonymize all data before it's used for…

> Users on our EU cloud instance are opted out by default

> All other users on our US cloud instance are opted in by default

Perfectly demonstrating that we need regulation to protect the general public, most companies will not do the right thing but the thing that benefits them first and foremost.

Re: Training our own AI models

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Post by cj »

wtetzner wrote: post #121
cj wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> half-alive state The brain can't be "half-alive" after you've died.

> I do not think we understand consciousness enough to rule out what those brains are experiencing.

The parent edited their comment, wasn’t there when I replied. But if you believe your organs don’t die when you die, then don’t donate your organs?
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