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Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

Parents should be put on trial for giving their kids smartphones.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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> the time and effort of doing this is 5 minutes. Yet the consequences for the victims may last a lifetime and be both intrinsic and extrinsic. Sexually forcing themselves on a drunk colleague at a party or taking their dad’s gun and shooting up their classmates also only takes a few minutes, but can scar a community for years. I’m not going to opine on what the punishment should be, though it seems clear there shoul…

The community should never have a say in this. A independent judge should do this to make sure its fair. And there is a huge difference between clarifying with people what fake AI is vs. real nudity. You can't just put a kid into prison because they copy pasted a head from someone onto some body.

> The community should never have a say in this.

Of course they should. I’m not saying they should get to unilaterally decide, but you should listen to the people who are affected. Don’t just ignore the people, the law is meant to serve them. Elected officials exist to represent the will of the constituents.

For example, let’s say you do something which is against the law but only affects the community you’re in and no one else, and the community not only doesn’t mind what you did, they are thankful. Should you be punished?

> A independent judge should do this to make sure its fair.

What do you think a judge does? They aren’t robots who only interpret a book, they listen to the people in a case and make a decision in context and within the framework of the law.

Furthermore, “independent judge” does in no way guarantee “fair”. Decades of interminably biased decisions aren’t going to stop now (definitely not with the current state of the US and its supreme court).

> You can't just put a kid into prison

Again, I’m not going to opine on what the punishment should be. I haven’t suggested a punishment, don’t argue as if I did.

> because they copy pasted a head from someone onto some body.

You’re misrepresenting what happened. The kid didn’t go in there with scissors and hastily pasted a head into a picture in a magazine. We know the state of generative AI, we can presume it was a competent fake.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

Do you have an issue with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends in their minds? What if they drew them? What if they photoshopped them? What if they had an AI make them? I suppose if I used such an uncharitable reading of your comment I would ask you're some kind of puritan supporter of thoughtcrime. Am I getting this wrong? Being curious about other people's bodies is part of the human experien…

Rape culture starts young. This needs to be nipped in the bud.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

Wow. I’m thinking the most charitable reading of this is “You forgot the /s”

Otherwise this is insanity.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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post #21

This kind of behavior should be met with swift and strong reaction from both the school authorities and the law enforcement. Kids responsible should be put on trial and face serious consequences including jail time for most egregious cases. Let the news cover it nationwide. "This is what will happen if you even think about creating and circulating nude pics of anyone" should be the message sent. This is the only way…

Wow. I’m thinking the most charitable reading of this is “You forgot the /s” Otherwise this is insanity.

Otherwise this is insanity.

It's a disruption of an entire school and the learning process. Just like a bomb scare, or a fake fire alarm. Just because it's AI doesn't mean it gets a pass.

One of the points of punishment is to deter copycats.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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It used to be that if you wanted to see people naked you’d just use your imagination. If you really wanted you’d draw or use photoshop, but both actually required skill. AI made it too easy. Teenagers wanting to see each other naked is normal and part of the human experience. I don’t agree with the nanny state approach. America is already too obsessed with violence being ok and any kind of sex/nudity being completely…

let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

You misparsed. Should it be a crime for a person to imagine another person nude within their mind?

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Wow. I’m thinking the most charitable reading of this is “You forgot the /s” Otherwise this is insanity.

Otherwise this is insanity. It's a disruption of an entire school and the learning process. Just like a bomb scare, or a fake fire alarm. Just because it's AI doesn't mean it gets a pass. One of the points of punishment is to deter copycats.

You're talking about sending children into the US prison system because of some pictures they made?

I stand by my claim of insanity. I think your rebuttal says more about you than about the topic at hand.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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Surely this comes under defamation law or something similar, as if they photoshopped the girl's heads onto porn photos.

Agreed. Even if it’s not possible to know who created the images in the first place, anyone who “shares” them should be culpable.

That is a hard one, as how do you know they aren't real? I mean I think I know but that is just because I know already.

Re: Deepfakes Tore a High School Apart

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post #127

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let me parse what you're saying: you're saying there are no issues with male teenagers generating deepfakes of their female friends. You're saying that's is " normal and part of the human experience." Am I getting this wrong?

You misparsed. Should it be a crime for a person to imagine another person nude within their mind?

using AI to deepfake minors is beyond one's imagination
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