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News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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why did anyone trade prior to capitalism?

Consensual trade between rational actors leads to both of them benefiting. Before capitalism, the ideology which focused on property rights and individual freedoms didn't really have a name...

so how's it the beauty of capitalism?

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Block public access not archival

The reason they're blocking archives is people can go to the archive, to bypass paywalls and avoid targeted adverts, instead of the news site. It's also to prevent AI scrapers harvesting articles.

True, it's the main reason archive.today exists really

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Not surprising, sites like Reddit use it to get around their paywalls. Redditors then had the gall to pretend like it wasn’t their number one use case.

I see archive.is / archive.today used a lot more for that.

First of all it's a lot faster than archive.org, second of all they are much better at bypassing the paywalls. In some cases the operator even seems to have taken up a subscription or at least a user account (in some cases you could see there is a user logged in). They're really clever at this.

For this site the main purpose is indeed the bypass. For the internet archive it's not.

And yeah it could easily be fixed by just publishing the pages a month later or so.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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post #118

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Consensual trade between rational actors leads to both of them benefiting. Before capitalism, the ideology which focused on property rights and individual freedoms didn't really have a name...

so how's it the beauty of capitalism?

'cause that's the one where you get to own things?

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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post #127

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so how's it the beauty of capitalism?

'cause that's the one where you get to own things?

if that's the one where you get to own things then there wasn't trade before capitalism, because you can't trade things without ownership. is that what you're saying?

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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I'd rather let Archive block access to that specific article for a while, but still archiving from the start.

In effect, robots.txt should have an "embargo" directive?

I like that idea.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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You people need to stop saying this. You're being greedy when you buy groceries from a cheaper supermarket. You're being greedy when you negotiate your salary or choose a job based on pay, or anything where you're trying to get more stuff for yourself. Those things are all perfectly good behaviors, they make the world more productive, so everyone wins overall. Greed isn't a problem. Spite? No evidence of that. They p…

> Greed isn't a problem. you listed 1. buying the cheapest groceries you can reasonably find 2. trying to get the highest salary you can 3. literally any time you try to get more for yourself that's a weak list from which to conclude that greed isn't a problem, especially since in the case of 1. and 2. someone's making money off you, the person who's supposedly greedy in these scenarios.

2. is literally you making money off someone else. That someone else might not also be making money off your work - you might be selling services to an individual for their personal consumption, or more commonly, you might be doing that through an intermediary (employer) that connects consumers with producers and launders the guilt of demanding more money.

1. Do farmers count as greedily making money off you for trying to get the highest prices for their produce from distributers and retailers who are trying to compete for customers with low prices? Yes but that's good! Every player in that supply chain is optimizing for themselves and it ends up working pretty well for everyone. Maybe you think farmers are too rich and should not demand so much money for their produce because greed is bad?

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