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Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by jjulius »

craigmart wrote: post #67
Angostura wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it did happen - and then unhappened when people noticed.

I had checked as soon as I found out about the news the other day and it was there. I just checked on wayback machine and you're right, it was removed for some time. However, if they're willing to put back that claim immediately, I doubt that their intention was to drop the free plan anytime soon, but probably it was to incentivize people to use the paid plans. Enshittification must happen sooner or later afterall, b…

>Enshittification must happen sooner or later afterall...

No it absolutely must not.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by torben-friis »

MostlyStable wrote: post #11

While I'm not _happy_ about the messaging changes, those alone are not enough to do more than start paying closer attention. I highly, highly doubt that vault export would be the first meaningful feature change, and so I think there will be stronger signals of actual issues before then. As I understand it, so far the only actual change is an announced increase in prices. Obviously, from the consumer perspective, chea…

The counterpoint would be that, if you feel like you need to carefully watch something that's supposed to take things off your mind, that's an issue.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by rirze »

omnimus wrote: post #119
arikrahman wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get rid of the element of hope by using KeepassXC and syncthing. Bonus is you can use this FOSS stack completely offline.

And not be able to use it on your phone or share it with people you work with. Vaultwarden is the way. Easy to host docker. Solid. And if bitwarden blocks the clients there will be a fork. It's leading to it anyway.

I really hope the community gets together and creates a better browser extension. Vaultwarden + that would be perfect.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by mort96 »

Angostura wrote: post #56
craigmart wrote: post #48

This is an incredible overraction over a minor change that did not even happen. You can still find "Always free" in the pricing line of the very same page everyone keeps linking as proof https://bitwarden.com/products/personal/#whats-the-differenc... Edit: it actually disappeared for some time but they put it back on May 18 snapshot from May 15: https://web.archive.org/web/20260515190646/https://bitwarden... snapshot…

Well it did happen - and then unhappened when people noticed.

There have been plenty of cases like this over time too. Company makes controversial change. Company rolls it back after outrage. Company slowly shifts over time until they've restored what's essentially the original controversial change.

When a company tells you their intention by announcing a change, it's often a good idea to listen. Even if their PR department does some good cleanup work in the aftermath.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by gregoriol »

culi wrote: post #86
9x39 wrote: post #77

Serious question - how come free is a requirement for a password manager? Everyone's gotta eat, including the maintainers of password managers. Tech has generous TC, lots of high-end laptops and phones worth thousands, AI & cloud spend, and yet the only acceptable price for secrets management is $0 it seems at times.

They promised an "always free" option. People committed to the service based on that. Many companies offer a free tier and a paid tier and are willing to incur the cost of users who will never convert. If a company doesn't actually intend to keep it "always free" they shouldn't make the promise in the first place

I think a company has to be able to change its commitment, but should not screw users at the same time. For example, if they want to remove the free plan, why not, strategy can change with context, the world is moving around the company, so then remove it for new users not existing ones and it's all good.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by wat10000 »

craigmart wrote: post #48

This is an incredible overraction over a minor change that did not even happen. You can still find "Always free" in the pricing line of the very same page everyone keeps linking as proof https://bitwarden.com/products/personal/#whats-the-differenc... Edit: it actually disappeared for some time but they put it back on May 18 snapshot from May 15: https://web.archive.org/web/20260515190646/https://bitwarden... snapshot…

How is it an incredible overreaction? It's not like switching password managers is particularly arduous or expensive.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by lexlambda »

webstrand wrote: post #89
parliament32 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My KeePassXC database auto-syncs to my Nextcloud instance. Nextcloud client on PCs, Keepass2Android on my phone, and it's the same end result as Bitwarden but without the shenanigans.

Do you have a solution for auto-merging conflicting changes? Because I think that's the real difference, editing on a laptop and on a desktop before the sync can occur, can cause data-loss (for my potentially naive use of keepassxc anyway).

I second what the other commenters have said.

There are several factors at play making conflicts almost impossible:

- A central device can be immediately synced to. For Nextcloud, it could be a server, for direct synchronization that I use (Syncthing), my phone (almost always online) is the intermediate device for all.

- You are usually online when creating accounts/password, so an sync can happen directly after a change

- And finally: How often do you actually _create_ accounts rather than just read the database? And how often do you do it on two devices in quick succession?

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by dpoloncsak »

culi wrote: post #88
Terr_ wrote: post #41

So I have an admission here: I keep seeing HN stuff about these networked password managers and I don't quite understand the appeal. Is it because everybody else is swapping between several different computers, and you need the synchronization? I just have everything in KeepassXC, and the ciphertext is subject to the same kind of backup regime I use for other files, [edit: and also additionally] a copy kept on a USB…

USB stick in your pocket sounds nice but what happens when you drop your keys and it cracks or you get caught in a rain storm and it gets soaked?

Then the copies that exist on the USB are fried but the original that live at home on your desktop/laptop are fine?

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by mrkeen »

craigmart wrote: post #48

This is an incredible overraction over a minor change that did not even happen. You can still find "Always free" in the pricing line of the very same page everyone keeps linking as proof https://bitwarden.com/products/personal/#whats-the-differenc... Edit: it actually disappeared for some time but they put it back on May 18 snapshot from May 15: https://web.archive.org/web/20260515190646/https://bitwarden... snapshot…

My last job was for a product which launched with a promise of a free tier forever, which they removed a year or two ago.

Re: Get your passwords out of Bitwarden while you still can

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Post by Esophagus4 »

AlexandrB wrote: post #103
9x39 wrote: post #77

Serious question - how come free is a requirement for a password manager? Everyone's gotta eat, including the maintainers of password managers. Tech has generous TC, lots of high-end laptops and phones worth thousands, AI & cloud spend, and yet the only acceptable price for secrets management is $0 it seems at times.

For me it's not that it has to be free, but that it can't be a subscription service or cloud-hosted-only. It's why I left 1Password. I don't like trusting my password management to the whims of mercurial business decisions. It's only a matter of time until private equity smells blood in the water with this product category and starts "extracting value" through acquisitions and arbitrary price increases.

> It's only a matter of time until private equity smells blood in the water with this product category and starts "extracting value" through acquisitions and arbitrary price increases.

My advice would be… If that happens, you can worry about it then.

It seems you could lose a lot of time and sleep protecting yourself against a doomsday scenario that will probably never happen.

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