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Lost Images from the 1945 Trinity Nuclear Test Restored

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Re: Lost Images from the 1945 Trinity Nuclear Test Restored

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Enjoyed this article, but was immediately distracted into another rabbit hole from the editor's note on the time zone, which I hadn't heard before: > If you’d like to pinpoint the instant when the world entered the nuclear age, 5:29:45 a.m. Mountain War Time on 16 July 1945 So, I went digging because time zones have been a weird fascination for me due to dealing with all their annoyances as an engineer, and found thi…

Of course later they renamed it to Eastern Defense Time, Pacific Defense Time, etc. so we have EDT, PDT today.

Re: Lost Images from the 1945 Trinity Nuclear Test Restored

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I used to teach a class on the history of contemporary science (WW2-present) and I started the class with Trinity. There’s no other moment better. We know how it turned out, but the people there waiting for the test did not know how it would turn out. The bomb might not have worked. Or it might have ignited a fusion reaction in the atmosphere and destroyed the world. Hans Bethe had sat down and done the calculations…

> Or it might have ignited a fusion reaction in the atmosphere and destroyed the world Someone's got to explain to me how this was even remotely plausible. We've had orders of magnitude more energetic events in earth's history that they would be aware of (dinosaur slaying asteroid for instance). These didn't manage to destroy the earth by turning the atmosphere into a fusion reactor. Surely they were aware of this. S…

You made me curious. It seems the theory is thermal, but it was never taken that seriously.

Bethe called it “absolute nonsense”—interview: https://johnhorgan.org/cross-check/oppenheimer-bethe-and-the...

Here's a student paper giving a pretty thorough analysis (AFAICT): http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2015/ph241/chung1/

Here's more discussion of it: https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/52802/where-did-...

And here (drumroll) is the original paper: https://web.archive.org/web/20200331041344/https://fas.org/s...

Re: Lost Images from the 1945 Trinity Nuclear Test Restored

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I went and visited the Trinity site a bunch of years back during the open house day in October. They gave us a little pamphlet at the gate that said there was no radiation danger to worry about. Then we passed signs along the way to the site saying things like, "don't eat, don't drink, don't apply make-up, don't rub your eyes." The mixed messages didn't exactly inspire confidence. You can see the few little bits of t…

as a rockhounder i was recently introduced to the idea that each bomb dropped is given its own name for unique recombinations of matter(trinitite, hiroshimite, etc) and that for a while they let people just collect it and its in circulation in rock shops

Re: Lost Images from the 1945 Trinity Nuclear Test Restored

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or it might have ignited a fusion reaction in the atmosphere and destroyed the world Someone's got to explain to me how this was even remotely plausible. We've had orders of magnitude more energetic events in earth's history that they would be aware of (dinosaur slaying asteroid for instance). These didn't manage to destroy the earth by turning the atmosphere into a fusion reactor. Surely they were aware of this. S…

> Someone's got to explain to me how this was even remotely plausible. You need to understand what a nuclear chain reaction is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_chain_reaction > We've had orders of magnitude more energetic events in earth's history It isn't about energy. There was never an unbounded nuclear chain reaction of anywhere near this magnitude on the planet before Trinity. A large asteroid impact doesn…

Worth noting that the along with other such events, the Giant Impact Hypothesis (a/k/a the Theia Impact) now thought to have created the Earth-Moon system had little traction until the 1970s, wasn't seriously discussed until the 1980s, and so far as I recall wasn't widely accepted until more recently, possibly the 2000s / 2010s, when I'd first encountered it.

As with other aspects of Earth's history, what's possibly surprising to younger readers here is just how much of Earth's history and the evolution of the Solar System has been uncovered recently. The far side of the Moon was unseen by humans (save for a few percent through lunar wobble / liberation) until the mid-1960s, and wasn't accurately mapped until 1969 --- a version of that map decorated my own bedroom wall as a child, and the story of that map's creation is amazing in itself, see "Race To The Moon with Richard Furno" https://web.archive.org/web/20090129220141/https://kelsocart...> and https://web.archive.org/web/20090130150935/https://kelsocart...>.

Close observations of other planets only began in the 1970s and is still fairly thin, though long-duration missions to Jupiter and Saturn have been impressive, though recent. The Jupiter Juno probe mission is still ongoing, having begun in 2016, and the Saturn Cassini-Huygens mission reached its destination in 2004 and culiminated (with a "grand finale" plunge into Saturn's atmosphere) in 2017.

The age of the Earth itself wasn't established until 1956, and at the time of the Trinity tests was still estimated as between 1.6 to 3.0 billion years (the presently-accepted age is 4.54 +/- 0.05 billion years). Plate tectonics wasn't accepted as the principle theory of terrestrial geology until the late 1960s. I've recently seen that this occurred between Neal Armstrong's flights on the Gemini and Apollo manned space programmes, the latter of course being his famous first footsteps (by man, that we know of) on the Moon.

But yes, as others are quite correctly noting here, there's been a huge advance in human knowledge within the span of living memory on all matter of related questions: nuclear reactions, fission, fusion, age of the Earth, major events within Earth's history, its own formation, the forces driving its evolution, and more. Looking back with the lens of the state of knowledge in 2026 is highly deceptive.

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