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Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by brnt »

yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

> interests that reconcile with the user interests

How are you paying them? And have you done any network analysis on it recently (I really would like to know!)?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by wasting_time »

dismalaf wrote: post #103
tuananh wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser... It's open in all of the ways that matter, basically they just want to protect their look and feel.

Some of their arguments are ridiculous.

> A new project based on our code might implement features that are fundamentally in opposition to our ethics (e.g., damaging to privacy, human rights or to the environment). Even though we would not be associated with the project in any way, it can deeply affect how people see Vivaldi (and how we see ourselves), damaging a reputation we have taken pains to earn.

> You can’t test drive open-source and then close everything back off if it turns out that open-source isn’t working out.

At the same time they express regret that the Presto engine from their Opera roots didn't get open-sourced. Which was much more novel than just a Chromium re-skin.

The entire article can be summarized as "we worry that others might make a better product off our code" and "can't be arsed to meet the quality standards of the free software community".

No thank you.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by sroux »

agotterer wrote: post #104

I used Vivaldi for many years and was a huge advocate. The problem for me was the browser got too bloated and buggy. They kept adding functionality that for me wasn’t necessary. For example: built in Proton VPN support, calendars, email functionality, notes, a game arcade. I don’t want any of that bundled in my browser. I want my browser to be lite weight. I eventually switched to Edge a few years ago because it was…

+1 for Zen, its great

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by mossTechnician »

dijksterhuis wrote: post #20
portmanteaufu wrote: post #10

I'd like to try Vivaldi, but the combination of being (partially) closed-source [1] and free-as-in-beer makes me feel like I must be the product. Do they do any sort of third-party auditing of the closed parts? [1] https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...

source code is apparently* available to audit: https://vivaldi.com/source * on my phone, can’t inspect the tars

Confusingly, that page only provides the changes to the Google Chromium source that allows their UI to run. (I'm not sure it would be easy to discern this without already knowing the source is not fully open.)

https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-sou...

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dismalaf »

wasting_time wrote: post #122
dismalaf wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser... It's open in all of the ways that matter, basically they just want to protect their look and feel.

Some of their arguments are ridiculous. > A new project based on our code might implement features that are fundamentally in opposition to our ethics (e.g., damaging to privacy, human rights or to the environment). Even though we would not be associated with the project in any way, it can deeply affect how people see Vivaldi (and how we see ourselves), damaging a reputation we have taken pains to earn. > You can’t te…

Are you reading the same article?

> "can't be arsed to meet the quality standards of the free software community".

Lol literally all the code is visible. Also all the Firefox forks I've seen are low-effort forks that even piggyback off Mozilla's servers for stuff like user authentication.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by satvikpendem »

yard2010 wrote: post #64

Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, a…

It's Chromium so I'll continue using Firefox

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by weavie »

undume wrote: post #101
weavie wrote: post #90

Vivaldi is the only browser where you can actually disable Ctrl+W from closing a tab. And that is why fat fingered I uses it.

Firefox also provides such an option, see about:keyboard

Wow! Is this a new feature? I swear it wasn't there when I looked into it a few years ago. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by dismalaf »

mossTechnician wrote: post #124
dijksterhuis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

source code is apparently* available to audit: https://vivaldi.com/source * on my phone, can’t inspect the tars

Confusingly, that page only provides the changes to the Google Chromium source that allows their UI to run. (I'm not sure it would be easy to discern this without already knowing the source is not fully open.) https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-sou...

https://github.com/ric2b/Vivaldi-browser

Someone mirrored it.

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by retrochameleon »

hvb2 wrote: post #3
aucisson_masque wrote: post #2

Vivaldi is all about customization but then they categorically refuse to add extension support to their android browser. Imo extension is the ultimate way to customize your browser experience. It's not technical difficulties, there are open source projects that have such support. I also don't believe it's against any TOS because some of these browser are available in the Google play store. I just don't get why they r…

Because of stuff like this? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48207660 If you don't have the ability to police extensions you're basically putting your users up for sale?

How is this an argument when you can use extensions on the desktop version?

Re: Vivaldi 8.0

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Post by brandonkal »

Great job on the design refresh! I was a heavy Vivaldi user and especially liked the integrated tiling and tab grouping. But over time it got more and more bloated and performance suffered so now I just use vanilla Safari (didn’t expect that) for most browsing plus Helium when I need to test in Chromium.

I use Aerospace for tiling everything now but it breaks Safari scrolling performance so when that becomes annoying I force the Safari window to floating mode.

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