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Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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Starbucks HQ city Seattle, WA accepts all plastic numbers in the curbside bin.

Most municipal recycling programs accept a lot of materials they do not currently recycle because retraining people is harder than sorting materials on their end, and not necessary since they sort it anyway. After sorting they look for buyers of the raw materials. This varies depending on the market and quality of the material. Everything left over is sent to the landfill.

Do you have a source for this? I'd like to learn more and educate myself on this topic rather than stay ignorant

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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Slightly related, but my town has sent out several flyers recently chastising everyone for recycling things that aren't recyclable. If this overambitious recycling continues, the privilege of recycling itself shall be taken away. Unwanted elements include any kind of glass or glass bottle (my wife and I are guilty of recycling cleaned jars of spaghetti sauce); certain types of plastic; and pizza boxes that are "too g…

Strange, ours explicitly called out pizza boxes as being recyclable. I wonder what the difference is.

But do they get recycled? Or do they get burnt or mixed in with useful material and shipped off to be thrown in a river in SEA?

Also, some of pizzas I get have a separate circle piece they sit on and the box doesn't get any grease on it.

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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The argument can be made, and I’m basically right there, is that we shouldn’t be recycling any plastics period. The energy, waste water, micro plastic production, toxic chemicals, etc involved in any plastic recycling that it is so much worse than simply throwing all Plastic into landfills and use virgin plastic for when you need to use it. The micro plastic pollution that is produced through plastic recycling is ast…

We are already burning coal for power generation, whether we like it or not. I have wondered why we don't "recycle" plastic by shoveling it into the same furnace and a) get some energy out of it, and b) solve the landfill problem. That should be carbon neutral, since burning X tons of plastic is X tons of coal we didn't burn.

You mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incineration?

At family gatherings here it's a typical argument for why there's allegedly no point separating out plastics: the recycling bin allegedly also ends up there. Nobody ever has a source for me though so take that for what it's worth, but it seems to generally be a thing

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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My local Starbucks offers a 10 cents discount and extra loyalty points for bringing your own cup. I've started bringing an insulated one that keeps coffee hot for longer & doesn't sweat with an iced beverage. I seldom see others bringing their own cups, even regulars I see there every week, even when Starbucks themselves sell reusable cups. It is almost like there is a weird stigma about handing the barista something…

To be more effective, all drink prices should be reduced by 10 cents, then a 10 cent surcharge added for every disposable cup. The price remains the same for all customers, but the extra line item reveals the external costs.

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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The argument can be made, and I’m basically right there, is that we shouldn’t be recycling any plastics period. The energy, waste water, micro plastic production, toxic chemicals, etc involved in any plastic recycling that it is so much worse than simply throwing all Plastic into landfills and use virgin plastic for when you need to use it. The micro plastic pollution that is produced through plastic recycling is ast…

We need to change the law to reduce regulations and introduce a principle of unlimited liability instead.

These things have to be fixed at the incentive layer. Self-regulation is the best form of regulation, by far.

Any discarded plastic found outside of a landfill should be tallied and result in a fine for the company which produced the plastic.

If a person is caught discarding a plastic bottle (littering), they should receive a fine as normal but the company should also be fined a portion of the liability.

The company knows very well that some percentage of the plastic they sell will end up in nature. They know this for a fact... And yet they choose to keep producing plastic packaging when cleaner alternatives exist; I.e. tin cans and glass bottles.

We've been completely brainwashed by the cult of 'limited liability'. It's a horrible idea. The words themselves tell you everything. Right there in front of your face. The liability is limited... It means the liability is externalized. This construct should never have been allowed.

Now with AI and the externalized harms which will result from it, this construct is more important than ever. Lives are at stake.

Once we start assigning partial liability to every harm. Eventually, we'll be able to collectively identify all of them; they will become so rare that they will stand out like a sore thumb.

Imagine; all the people who are currently messing up the political system with useless bureaucracy and toxic ideologies could actually be useful to society. Instead of identifying each other's genders, orientations and emotional triggers, they could be identifying social and environmental harms and holding companies accountable.

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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Tried this once as well with plastic filler material that said you should visit some website to find a place that takes it back for reuse, and the website referred me to ask the merchant instead

The merchant (who produces the product and fills the boxes from the same country as where I live) ended up finding an answer: the manufacturer does not yet do this in europe

How is this legal to print on your product if you don't offer the service anywhere on the continent...

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most municipal recycling programs accept a lot of materials they do not currently recycle because retraining people is harder than sorting materials on their end, and not necessary since they sort it anyway. After sorting they look for buyers of the raw materials. This varies depending on the market and quality of the material. Everything left over is sent to the landfill.

Do you have a source for this? I'd like to learn more and educate myself on this topic rather than stay ignorant

If you've got 20 minutes this has a good interview of someone who runs a municipal recycling program: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/12/741283641/episode-926-so-shou...

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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> not actually recycled but turned into fossil fuels or feedstocks This is such a great claim.

Turning plastics back into their feedstocks is literally the most straightforward form of recycling.

Yes, using some material once is worse than getting two uses out of it.

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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> The best way for one to reduce their carbon footprint is to stop supporting large corporations. Not really, no. The carbon footprint associated with your consumption has little-to-nothing to do with the type of economic structure that provides it. Lots of fossil fuels are produced by the state, some even in socialist countries. Burning oil extracted by Pemex or Petróleos de Venezuela releases just as much carbon as…

I didn't say anything about capitalism. I said this is our fault. It is a direct result of human behavior.

Huh? You said it has to do with "large corporations", specifically. Which is not true.

Re: Tracking Starbucks' 'widely recyclable' cups: none ended up at recycling

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post #108

My local Starbucks offers a 10 cents discount and extra loyalty points for bringing your own cup. I've started bringing an insulated one that keeps coffee hot for longer & doesn't sweat with an iced beverage. I seldom see others bringing their own cups, even regulars I see there every week, even when Starbucks themselves sell reusable cups. It is almost like there is a weird stigma about handing the barista something…

Bringing your own cup is also healthier, because paper cup linings are made of plastic that when exposed to hot liquids are likely to turn into microplastics. My rule is: 1) keep hot stuff away from plastic, and 2) assume everything is/has plastic unless you know for certain.

Reusable cups might be healthier assuming regular cleaning in the bottle, mouthpiece and lid.
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