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Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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transcriptase wrote: post #72
j2kun wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Building a tool that tries (and probably fails) to remove the watermark (due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win) is tacitly accepting the barcode. The hacker ethos should be, first and foremost, to run open source models locally without relying on a corporation.

>due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win Much like how the entirety of Hollywood, book publishers, academic publishers, and game developers have won against piracy despite being some of the largest corps on earth and dedicating untold billions to the issue over the past 30 years?

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Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by msy »

wincy wrote: post #111
free_bip wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the previous comment is referring to. They're referring to false positives, i.e "Gemini did not generate this (or process it) yet it says SynthID confirmed"

So imagine the damage you could do to an artist by having Gemini flag it then saying “see here’s the proof they’re using AI art!” That person would get eaten alive.

...except they can produce the same image without the fake SynthID.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by digitaltrees »

blanched wrote: post #85
transcriptase wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>due to the arms race that large corporate machines will win Much like how the entirety of Hollywood, book publishers, academic publishers, and game developers have won against piracy despite being some of the largest corps on earth and dedicating untold billions to the issue over the past 30 years?

They won the long game. Everything is rented and DRM now. Very little of what most people buy digitally is truly owned.

They didn’t win because of DRM. They won because of the regulations that grant a monopoly for a specific term in the form of a copyright. Society has recognized that incentivizing creative acts requires a temporary grant of monopoly to ensure the necessary scarcity to make money and recover the costs of creation. The real problem is Disney keeps expanding that time period so things never enter the public domain

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by befictious »

duzer65657 wrote: post #105
blanched wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won the long game. Everything is rented and DRM now. Very little of what most people buy digitally is truly owned.

they didn't win by attacking piracy head-on though, they made capitulation easy & nice enough for us to happily go along.

all's fair in love and war

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by simonra »

ninjalanternshk wrote: post #66
tptacek wrote: post #22

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It either works reliably or it doesn't; if it doesn't, it's better that everybody be clear about that.

Not necessarily. Knowing an image for sure is fake has value, even if you can’t guarantee the reverse is true.

What stops someone from adding a watermark to an actually photographed (carefully framed?) picture to discredit it? There is no certainty either way, just suggestions from someone else about what the truth might be.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by keybored »

totetsu wrote: post #104
akersten wrote: post #7

There's an underappreciated comment in the other thread about SynthID and OpenAI [0] that captures what (IMO) the hacker ethos on this should be. We care about privacy, we should not accept tools that barcode our every digital move. (note that the counter of "well, they don't do that yet " is not particularly convincing) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48200060

Its what happens when people in power are paranoid dark-triad types and want to be able to catch anyone who threatens their power and stick it to them..

When.

Re: Remove-AI-Watermarks – CLI and library for removing AI watermarks from images

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Post by dabinat »

xp84 wrote: post #37
airstrike wrote: post #30

Regardless of one's opinion about this particular project, it seems obvious to me that the path forward is proving authenticity of non-AI resources rather than attempting to watermark all the AI-generated ones.

Pretty hard problem to tackle when you can point an "authenticated" camera at a really nice screen and snap a 'definitely real' photo of anything a screen can display :(

Isn’t the goal only to prove that a photograph was taken with a particular camera? I don’t think you could ever prove that the subject was legitimate, as there are countless ways to misrepresent things. But in a world of AI slop, knowing a photo was taken on a real camera and wasn’t synthesized artificially is still a useful data point in determining trust.
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