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Post by FloorEgg »

glitchc wrote: post #106
DonsDiscountGas wrote: post #90

> “His speech was incredibly disrespectful to students,” said Malone. “We as students are discouraged from using it and penalized for using it. And then to have our speaker be the champion of AI is just like, OK? Why?” It's a perfectly fair question and the answer is that being a practitioner is different from being a student. If you want to hear some nice music you can learn to play and then record yourself, or you…

But they are learning to practice , at least in some of the courses (others are focused on much-needed theory). It's like forcing students to write code by hand because using an editor would give away too much. And I know first-hand that CS education used to do precisely this as I have proctored such exams myself. What needs a rethink is how education, especially CS education, is imparted given the existence of these…

> What needs a rethink is how education, especially CS education, is imparted given the existence of these tools.

This is true of most of the education system. It all needs a rethink.

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Post by saltcured »

water-data-dude wrote: post #31
ethanplant wrote: post #5

I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos. Everyone, and especially new grads constantly hear that AI is going to replace every job. And absolutely no one seems to be interested in answering the question of “okay, then what?” Of course people are going to react negatively when they hear, “the machines are going to take your jobs from you. No, we don’t care how you’ll be able to pay your re…

Why aren't grads more pumped about an exciting career as an organ donor?

My donation broker says getting pumped may decrease the street value of my organs

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Post by happytoexplain »

dfxm12 wrote: post #107
pesus wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People will downvote you because the idea of violence shocks and scares them, but if you steal people's future and strip them of any real (peaceful) options to change things, it becomes inevitable some of them will try to fight back with what few options they do have left.

The status quo of health insurance in the US ("delay, deny, defend") is structural violence. This isn't about fear of violence, they just have different politics...

Loss of livelihood is in the same category of structural violence as loss of healthcare.

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Post by [deleted] »

Mezzie wrote: post #117
littlexsparkee wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the harm of meritocracy - the idea is so pervasive that if you don't make it, you believe it to be a deficit in you. Then your lack of success is stigma and keeps you there.

100%. This also creates a sense that people who aren't 'successful' aren't worth listening to. It's actually fascinating to be in a place where my lack of material success is in no way my own fault, and to have that be agreed upon by most people. My existence makes people uncomfortable .

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Post by quickthrowman »

leptons wrote: post #97
ch4s3 wrote: post #76

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This is a deeply sick way of thinking. Mangione was and is a fool, a 3rd rate thinker. His manifesto is muddled, factually mistaken, and by his own words he understood the topic poorly. You only need a cursory knowledge of the late 60s and early 70s to know that political violence rarely achieves its aims and is much more likely to empower reactionaries. There's no quick fix for political change.

Mangione was a one-off, and a lot of people understand why he may have done what he did. Just wait until the American version of the French Revolution happens. If AI keeps stealing all the jobs, it will come sooner rather than later.

Revolutions usually are bad. The Who puts it succinctly in Won’t Get Fooled Again

“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”

Best case scenario is a new set of elites that end up doing the same shit as the last group, see Russia from 1918 to the present for an example.

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Post by reducesuffering »

rybosworld wrote: post #20

Executives of these tech companies keep saying the automation of intelligence will drive job creation because previous waves of automation did the same. To anyone with a brain, that is obviously not true. If AI continues to improve at the pace that it has been, why would anyone hire a human to do the thinking? Human intelligence will be orders of magnitude more expensive, and much slower... The tech executives know t…

Exactly. If the AI owner class actually want anyone to believe that AI will bring jobs and prosperity, then people will want to see a little of that in action? You can't say "AI will bring even better jobs for you!" when all that's observed is 20% layoffs every single week.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

hello_moto wrote: post #43
jstanley wrote: post #17

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We've done this dozens of times before. In the short term some people suffer and that is bad for them. In the long term everyone is much better off due to increased productivity.

short-term? how about 100 years? > Beginning in Great Britain around 1760, the Industrial Revolution had spread to continental Europe and the United States by about 1840 You know what else happened during that 100-200 years time frame? 2 Wars + Governments decided to step in and rebuild post-war. Governments tax the rich/elite by 90%. You know what else happened? workers being punished physically and mentally until t…

We have a lot more cheap plastic toys now though!

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Post by joe_mamba »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #93
ch4s3 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a deeply sick way of thinking. Mangione was and is a fool, a 3rd rate thinker. His manifesto is muddled, factually mistaken, and by his own words he understood the topic poorly. You only need a cursory knowledge of the late 60s and early 70s to know that political violence rarely achieves its aims and is much more likely to empower reactionaries. There's no quick fix for political change.

> political violence rarely achieves its aims and is much more likely to empower reactionaries. Cursory knowledge of history also shows that, when it comes to violence, logic does not matter. People are scared for their livelihoods. If the rich and powerful keep shouting to the word that they are going to destroy your way of life, there will be violence. It doesn't matter how futile or counterproductive it is.

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Post by cindyllm »

ferguess_k wrote: post #86
mbgerring wrote: post #75

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I don’t disagree, but the actual beliefs of the AGI cult are much worse, and much more dangerous, than “I got mine, fuck you”

It's more like "I'm Holy and All, bow before me. Why don't you like me? I don't understand" type. I mean at least Jesus gave free wine and bread.

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