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Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ericmay »

sophacles wrote: post #120
ericmay wrote: post #115

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> It's absurd to pretend you don't understand this. If you want to phrase what that person wrote in this way, then you're going to have to provide deeper analysis than a Dragon Ball Z style power comparison. > What evidence is there that Iran would have shut down the strait at all? The only time they've done so in the last 40+ years is in response to a direct, unnecessary attack. While neither of us have intelligence…

> If you want to phrase what that person wrote in this way "That person" was literally you. I replied to you and quoted you. Are you sure DBz is beneath you? > Now it's fair, certainly, to speculate that Iran had no intention of closing the Strait or whatever, but their actions seem to indicate the opposite. It indicates only that they wanted to have a stockpile of weapons... the most common reason for which is to de…

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Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ceejayoz »

sophacles wrote: post #120
ericmay wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's absurd to pretend you don't understand this. If you want to phrase what that person wrote in this way, then you're going to have to provide deeper analysis than a Dragon Ball Z style power comparison. > What evidence is there that Iran would have shut down the strait at all? The only time they've done so in the last 40+ years is in response to a direct, unnecessary attack. While neither of us have intelligence…

> If you want to phrase what that person wrote in this way "That person" was literally you. I replied to you and quoted you. Are you sure DBz is beneath you? > Now it's fair, certainly, to speculate that Iran had no intention of closing the Strait or whatever, but their actions seem to indicate the opposite. It indicates only that they wanted to have a stockpile of weapons... the most common reason for which is to de…

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Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ericmay »

ceejayoz wrote: post #122
sophacles wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you want to phrase what that person wrote in this way "That person" was literally you. I replied to you and quoted you. Are you sure DBz is beneath you? > Now it's fair, certainly, to speculate that Iran had no intention of closing the Strait or whatever, but their actions seem to indicate the opposite. It indicates only that they wanted to have a stockpile of weapons... the most common reason for which is to de…

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Hey. Two things.

1) I re-read that thread and realized that person was talking about ship traffic. Of course the analogy isn't great because of course yea that "road" is closed but roads are generally open. I thought they were talking about actual car traffic as a comment about gas prices.

2) Friendly advice but HN tends to skew one direction politically at least when it comes to this Iran war, but you are going to in fact find folks such as myself who disagree with you and others and voice good arguments in those disagreements. I'm an actual person, and I can tell you that for a fact and Dang will also tell you that because he's in the past emailed me directly and warned me about engaging in flame wars on the site, which I am earnestly trying to do while engaging in debate and discussion. I enjoy debating and discussing these topics, and using an LLM wouldn't serve any purpose for me. The fun is in the debate, and so if an LLM was doing that for me, I'd just not engage.

Really, trying to be friendly here but it's probably not great if you just suspect people who disagree with you to be bots. I was incredibly confused when you (I think?) called me an LLM, hence the "Are you an LLM?" question/statement.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ceejayoz »

ericmay wrote: post #123
ceejayoz wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hey. Two things. 1) I re-read that thread and realized that person was talking about ship traffic. Of course the analogy isn't great because of course yea that "road" is closed but roads are generally open. I thought they were talking about actual car traffic as a comment about gas prices. 2) Friendly advice but HN tends to skew one direction politically at least when it comes to this Iran war, but you are going to i…

> I re-read that thread and realized that person was talking about ship traffic.

That person was you. You made the car analogy.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48195588

The Hormuz context was further clarified for you, and I got a suggestion to… watch Ohio highway webcams.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196113

Twice!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196301

I don’t make LLM assertions frequently or lightly.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ericmay »

ceejayoz wrote: post #124
ericmay wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey. Two things. 1) I re-read that thread and realized that person was talking about ship traffic. Of course the analogy isn't great because of course yea that "road" is closed but roads are generally open. I thought they were talking about actual car traffic as a comment about gas prices. 2) Friendly advice but HN tends to skew one direction politically at least when it comes to this Iran war, but you are going to i…

> I re-read that thread and realized that person was talking about ship traffic. That person was you. You made the car analogy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48195588 The Hormuz context was further clarified for you, and I got a suggestion to… watch Ohio highway webcams. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196113 Twice! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196301 I don’t make LLM assertions frequently or…

The confusion came from what we were talking about. I was comparing the ineffectiveness of the toll to me just saying hey car pay me to drive down my street. You interpreted that in a different way to compare the shipping traffic. Fair enough, I didn't catch that which is why my comments probably seem so weird - I thought what was being pointed out was the impact of the Strait being closed as in nobody can afford gas, there aren't any cars on the road!

The reason the car analogy is bad in the way that you used it is because when you use it, you have to look at the entire map and you just see like yea some lane is blocked. An important one sure, but it's just one piece of the overall flow of traffic. You're saying hey look at how bad it is that this one lane is closed, and I'm looking at the broader picture there.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ceejayoz »

ericmay wrote: post #125
ceejayoz wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I re-read that thread and realized that person was talking about ship traffic. That person was you. You made the car analogy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48195588 The Hormuz context was further clarified for you, and I got a suggestion to… watch Ohio highway webcams. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196113 Twice! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48196301 I don’t make LLM assertions frequently or…

The confusion came from what we were talking about. I was comparing the ineffectiveness of the toll to me just saying hey car pay me to drive down my street. You interpreted that in a different way to compare the shipping traffic. Fair enough, I didn't catch that which is why my comments probably seem so weird - I thought what was being pointed out was the impact of the Strait being closed as in nobody can afford gas…

> The reason the car analogy is bad

Again: your analogy.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ericmay »

ceejayoz wrote: post #126
ericmay wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The confusion came from what we were talking about. I was comparing the ineffectiveness of the toll to me just saying hey car pay me to drive down my street. You interpreted that in a different way to compare the shipping traffic. Fair enough, I didn't catch that which is why my comments probably seem so weird - I thought what was being pointed out was the impact of the Strait being closed as in nobody can afford gas…

> The reason the car analogy is bad Again: your analogy.

Nope. I was talking about the toll concept, not cars.

> I don’t make LLM assertions frequently or lightly.

You shouldn't make them at all. Not only are you wrong in this case but it's against the site rules and doesn't add value to a conversation.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ceejayoz »

ericmay wrote: post #127
ceejayoz wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The reason the car analogy is bad Again: your analogy.

Nope. I was talking about the toll concept, not cars. > I don’t make LLM assertions frequently or lightly. You shouldn't make them at all. Not only are you wrong in this case but it's against the site rules and doesn't add value to a conversation.

Again: I said “I'm referring to the fucking Strait of Hormuz” and you helpfully linked me to Ohio’s traffic cams in response.

The alternative explanation is you can’t be bothered to read what you’re replying to, no matter how short and clear.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ericmay »

ceejayoz wrote: post #128
ericmay wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I was talking about the toll concept, not cars. > I don’t make LLM assertions frequently or lightly. You shouldn't make them at all. Not only are you wrong in this case but it's against the site rules and doesn't add value to a conversation.

Again: I said “I'm referring to the fucking Strait of Hormuz” and you helpfully linked me to Ohio’s traffic cams in response. The alternative explanation is you can’t be bothered to read what you’re replying to, no matter how short and clear.

I've already explained myself and have tried to do so charitably. It's up to you to choose how to act. If you want to keep comparing ships in the Strait of Hormuz to cars, I'll just say again that it's a bad comparison that you're making because all it really means is there's a roadblock in one spot but traffic flows great everywhere else.

Re: Iran demands Big Tech pay fees for undersea Internet cables in Strait of Hormuz

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #49
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24

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> The enormous pile of ordnance floating in the gulf of oman that can be easily dropped on Tehran, for one Probably not. The other comment is right: cutting cables means having its own cables cut. (Tehran is also probably weighing whether it wants to continue mobilising almost all of its neighbors against itself. Trashing e.g. Kuwait for shits and giggles isn't strategically productive.)

Tehran is also probably weighing whether it wants to continue mobilising almost all of its neighbors against itself Interesting point. It might be a good time for some good old-fashioned false-flag action.

> might be a good time for some good old-fashioned false-flag action

It's always "a good time for some good old-fashioned false-flag action" if you can pull it off. Given Riyadh and Abu Dhabi are already bombing Iran, and are now unaligned, there wouldn't be much for the U.S. to gain from something like this. (And if Israel were to pull off a false-flag operation against the U.S. now isn't better or worse than tomorrow or yesterday.)

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