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Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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dummy808 wrote: post #53
H8crilA wrote: post #13

I always wonder why ECT doesn't get more press. It very very often works on depression (and bipolar disorder, catatonia; anything affective-related really), although the effects may wane over time when the treatment is discontinued. Memory loss is one of the side effects, and it could actually be beneficial here.

This is nuts. Bringing ECT into the discussion of a novel psychedelic medicine. Totally different ballparks. Well-established results vs. very little formal research. Have you had ECT, or do you know anyone who has? It's a last resort for horrible depression and not much else. It has huge risks, and while it does often make these people's lives manageable, it shouldn't be in the same discussion as a medication that's…

My mother was treated with ECT for treating clinical depression and right afterwards she developed parkinsons. ECT was traumatic for her.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by broken-kebab »

N_Lens wrote: post #120
broken-kebab wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it can be: people who went to protect us, and as it's an act which often requires serious sacrifice we praise them. And in any case treating PTSD is good in general.

Ah the old “The bombing of brown/asian people is to PROTECT us” chestnut!

Such a knee-jerk answer. Can you imagine we are not all Americans on this website?

Also, I dare to suggest, imagine not everything is about race.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by catheter »

dacops wrote: post #8

Only veterans? I wonder about the editorial choice to use veterans rather than, say, women who have PTSD from assaults, which is a much larger group of people. (Approximately 4% of US men and 8% of US women experience PTSD every year across all reasons like accidents, sexual assaults, combat, etc.) Presumably this treatment would help everyone? Or is it somehow supporting only vets?

If you know anything about the people funding research/lobbying it is not really surprising.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by carlosjobim »

dacops wrote: post #8

Only veterans? I wonder about the editorial choice to use veterans rather than, say, women who have PTSD from assaults, which is a much larger group of people. (Approximately 4% of US men and 8% of US women experience PTSD every year across all reasons like accidents, sexual assaults, combat, etc.) Presumably this treatment would help everyone? Or is it somehow supporting only vets?

> Only veterans?

Well, anybody who wishes to can get their hands on this medication and treat themselves. People have been doing it for decades.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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dacops wrote: post #8

Only veterans? I wonder about the editorial choice to use veterans rather than, say, women who have PTSD from assaults, which is a much larger group of people. (Approximately 4% of US men and 8% of US women experience PTSD every year across all reasons like accidents, sexual assaults, combat, etc.) Presumably this treatment would help everyone? Or is it somehow supporting only vets?

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Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

LoganDark wrote: post #115

> Some research suggests that chemistry is all that is needed – that the intense psychedelic experiences may not even be necessary for ibogaine's healing effects. > [...] Building on such research, some startups are working on drugs that mimic therapeutic effects without the hallucinations. I understand not everyone wants the hallucinations, but man, scientists are just no fun sometimes.

Reminds me of all of the attempts to produce speed analogs without the speed for weight loss. Unfortunately it appears that the speedy effects are what drive the weight loss.

Re: Trials on veterans suggest ibogaine could provide a new treatment for PTSD

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Post by forshaper »

dacops wrote: post #90
nkrisc wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm wondering why not all PTSD cases, why specifically this relatively small group? Because then it’s another variable in the study.

That's a reasonable answer!

It's also much easier to get a veteran's medical history, relative to other American populations.

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Post by westmeal »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #52
westmeal wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because it used to happen doesn't mean it should continue. It will be death of all of us collectively.

But didn’t you know: game theory!!!! Nash equilibrium is the religion for millennials who didn’t get sucked into the boomer/gen-x Ayn Rand bullshit

God... Ayn Rand sucks so hard.
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