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US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDP is not suffering — quite the opposite, 2% real annual growth in Q1 — so recession is definitionally inaccurate.

We’ll need new terms if Musk and Altman make infinity GDP and everyone else is unemployable.

More like Dario rather than Musk and Altman. Anthropic is much more likely to be a monopoly, and they are also pushing hard for regulatory capture with their whole false superiority on ethics, safety, morals etc.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#122
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's use percentage of people below the poverty line ( the actual poverty line is estimated between 97k(single) - 145k(family with children) Anybody reading hackernews that cares about GDP growth is profoundly misinformed. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/income-needed-get-ahead-145k-ha...

As a Brit, it seems hilarious that a single person with an income of $97k would be on the poverty line. That's more than double the median income for all households in the UK. A lot of Americans don't seem to realise how fantastically wealthy they are compared to the rest of the world. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/personal...

That’s a completely absurd number. No single person making just under $100k a year is living in poverty. Even in a high cost of living area.

The article also repeatedly discussed median salaries, but average costs.

And it includes full time daycare costs for young children that only last for a few years.

Also housing prices are high but you can certainly afford an apartment as a single person making $100k a year. But if you want to save, having a roommate doesn’t mean you are living in poverty.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#123

The reality no one ever wants to talk about is that big tech doesn't need as many employees that it has. Anyone who has worked in big tech knows it is true.

Okay but - if an industry can afford more employees than it has is there a real reason not to have them? Aside from shareholder greed etc.

Not an unreasonable question in isolation, but "greed" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. People's retirement accounts include shares in businesses because they expect those businesses to pursue profit and act in their interests as shareholders. If they didn't, people would rightfully pull their money and put it into more responsible businesses (or savings accounts, etc.). Charities and publicly funded social programs exist too, but those are different things.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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This is intentional. Companies are actively trying to develop capabilities to replace humans. I am surprised there are not enough protests against this.

why should I protest not needing to work for money? Isn't post scarcity a great goal to have?

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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post #4

I think people are blaming AI for a recession caused by trump’s tarrifs and the oil crisis. Businesses fear that oil prices may explode until enough of the economy enters a recession that oil demand decreases, and are already feeling the supply crunch

The overall US economy is less impacted by higher oil prices than ever before. As a net oil exporter now in a way it's actually a positive, although the effects vary by sector.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, it's exactly what you'd expect if more people quit buying stuff.

Sales people sure, but secretaries and support staff?

Customer support? Clearly the first to be cut if there are fewer customers to support, and in any case considered completely expendable and optional. Internal support roles? Also extremely expendable from your average management's perspective.

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#127

Honey, I overhired during the pandemic and I need a scapegoat for the layoffs!

Thats been mostly straightened out for years. This is tariffs, oil, and uncertainty more than anything. When I worked in finance the thing that made the analysts happiest was a split election wherein neither side could accomplish much. We now have the opposite of that, and worse a capricious leader who makes huge changes without much justification or explanation. Pressing "shuffle" on the economic policy doesn't help…

Fun fact the US government was designed to be ineffective on purpose. It's not supposed to do much by design

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#128

The reality no one ever wants to talk about is that big tech doesn't need as many employees that it has. Anyone who has worked in big tech knows it is true.

I think Jensen Huang said this recently, and I've had a similar opinion for a while, but a lot of companies seem uncreative with how they use their employees. like google probably has >10k people working on stuff like "ensure gmail refresh button is the correct size", but why not fund teams to take on new and more risky projects... maybe part of it is that the type of people who work at big tech companies are not interested in risky projects :shrug:

Re: US is starting to see heavy job losses in roles exposed to AI

#130

The reality no one ever wants to talk about is that big tech doesn't need as many employees that it has. Anyone who has worked in big tech knows it is true.

Okay but - if an industry can afford more employees than it has is there a real reason not to have them? Aside from shareholder greed etc.

One reason would be that if they can create more value in another industry
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