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OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by throwatdem12311 »

vessenes wrote: post #16
wiseowise wrote: post #11

What a clown. And Twitter bozos will cheer and clap. As far as money spent, this is still much better than rounding up and/or bombing brown people, but shows insanity of the current market. The saddest part is that bootlickers/temporarily embarrassed AI millionaires will defend this. And of course I'm just yet another envious hater from "the orange website". Your conscience is clear, AI bros. /s

OpenClaw is the fastest growth open source project ever. This isn’t clowning.

Who gives a shit. It’s a trash project.

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Post by amunozo »

onion2k wrote: post #50
wolttam wrote: post #40

Nobody here talking about what this represents for demand on these models, if these numbers aren’t made up. One person using 600B tokens in a month. The most I’ve hit is around 500M tokens and I thought that was a huge amount. We’re going to have some major compute shortages for a while

Jensen Huang was saying humanity is going to need 1000x the current energy production in the future. He might not be wrong.

Or more probably, he will be wrong. We really need to stop amplifying marketing statements like the bullshit Huang and Amodei tell all the time. There's no much thought behind them, just marketing and wishes.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by irthomasthomas »

Tiberium wrote: post #24

This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

I think its less misleading this way because every other reader would have to pay $1.3M to emulate his workflow for a similar size project. His discounted internal costs are relevent only to openai.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by boxed »

vrganj wrote: post #71
phpnode wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goodness me that’s quite a comparison

Agreed. The Chinese Communist Party lifted a billion people out of poverty. What good has OpenClaw done?

Only after ditching communism and embracing markets mind you.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by therealpygon »

Tiberium wrote: post #24

This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

Hey guys, I’m super good at using tokens.

Business: Amazing, that’s great what did you do?

I ran 50 instances and had them all fix the same bugs at the same time and then analyzed the results of all 50 runs to have AI score each of the attempts, then sort them, then compare them to each other in a round robin tournament style double elimination to ensure I got the best result. Then I had AI convert this into a skill, and then ran all 50 attempts again and repeated the process to ensure that I had the absolute best result. It was amazing and I used 1.3 billion tokens!

Business: That is amazing! What did you fix?

A spelling mistake on the About page.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by estimator7292 »

vrganj wrote: post #84
pama wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Peter shows the near-term future. Raw API consumer price cost is arbitrary. (The frontier labs can put a 100x markup to cover other operational expenses.) The true cost of inference with same-capability models keeps dropping at dizzying rates, especially at the data-center batch size. (Due to both NVidia hardware and algorithmic changes.) So the developments that Peter can achieve today with internal support from Ope…

But.... why ? Like I read his thing on how he spends the tokens [0] and it sounds like satire. He has agents write shitty code for features other agents think other people want, then has it reviewed by other agents in hopes of catching bugs that the first agent put there, then has some more agents try to find security bugs in the now double-agented code to make it triple-agented and at the end of the day, he spent a…

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Post by estimator7292 »

wasJka wrote: post #113
VerTiGo_Etrex wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is okay? “He has /people/ write shitty code for features other /people/ think other people want, then has it reviewed by other /people/ in hopes of catching bugs that the first /people/ put there, then has some more /people/ try to find security bugs in the now /double-peopled/ code to make it /triple-peopled/ and at the end of the day, he spent a shitton of /money, the people/ probably emitted enough carbon…

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Post by xantronix »

simianwords wrote: post #101
MadxX79 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a healthy industry, selling tokens at 1000x below cost.

This performative concern over token costs and subsidisation comes from either ignorance or some latent ideology signalling.

One could say "that's a great point, we should take more direct ideological action to address this issue!", but expounding upon the finer details would likely get one banned here.

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by Tiberium »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #123
Tiberium wrote: post #24

This is quite a misleading title because this is the raw API cost, but he (obviously) has unlimited usage as an OpenAI employee. Moreover, if you use e.g. the $200 Codex sub, you get about ~$5k-$6k monthly API usage if you spend every week of your usage, if not more, which shows that the raw API cost is not how much it (likely) costs to OpenAI, unless they're subsidizing all this. He did clarify that it was with fast…

I think its less misleading this way because every other reader would have to pay $1.3M to emulate his workflow for a similar size project. His discounted internal costs are relevent only to openai.

I did mention that you could use ~60 $200 Codex accounts to emulate his workflow without /fast, or 2.5x that if you used /fast. Not $1.3M

Re: OpenClaw Creator Spent $1.3M on OpenAI Tokens in 30 Days

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Post by vntok »

danpalmer wrote: post #51
Robdel12 wrote: post #39

Once you see how much crap they’re running to police the agents on the repo, you’ll ‘get’ the spend https://x.com/steipete/status/2055405041843052792 I won’t lie, if I had the access to this, I’d do the same exact thing.

"All that automation allows us to run extremely lean" He has a different opinion of what it means to be lean than almost everyone else. That's fine, he's allowed to, but it's something you have to understand to make sense of any of his comments on things. He has a radically different set of values to most people.

His team is basically him and two other humans, powering an ambitious well-known project so successful an industry titan ended up acquihiring him/them. That's pretty lean, no?
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