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Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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Really sad to see some of the best visualizations I've ever seen in my life being taken down. I've easily spent hours exploring playing with their gun deaths visualization, p-hacking piece, gut microbiome explorable explainer and many others. Guess we better back up their GitHub repos before that gets taken down as well https://github.com/fivethirtyeight

Looks like just 30 repos: https://github.com/orgs/fivethirtyeight/repositories?type=so...

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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Where did you all go to once FiveThirtyEight died down? I occasionally read articles on Nate Silver's substack but I'm still missing the breadth of 538conbined with the trademark data-driven analysis.

I started doing actual politics rather than simply consuming it. It's more fun trust me.

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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Where did you all go to once FiveThirtyEight died down? I occasionally read articles on Nate Silver's substack but I'm still missing the breadth of 538conbined with the trademark data-driven analysis.

I highly recommend G Elliott Morris' blog Strength in Numbers. He exists more in conversation with political science researchers and commercial polling professionals which makes his reporting feel a lot deeper and more interesting than the back of the envelope hot takes a bunch of other pundits try to sell as data journalism these days.

Strength in Numbers is very US politics centric, but Elliott also works with Mary Radcliffe on Fifty Plus One. That's a new hub for raw polling data (and averages) but they also do some broader polling roundup style stories that have a 538 feel.

David Nir of the Downballot is pretty good too if you are looking for information on the smaller races.

Outside of the SiN extended universe, Marist have a podcast called Poll Hub which is very light and fun and reminiscent of the cuddliest 538 podcasts before they started getting that weird contrarian podcast bro energy.

I've trialed a bunch of other sites since 538 went away and also checked in on the other alumni, but none of it outside of SiN-and-friends or the Marist quite hit for me.

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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If they feel it's damaging to have it public, then it could be argued that selling it would be irresponsible. I'm not arguing it is or it isn't, but reputation has value and management of it is part of what shareholders expect.

But this isn’t reputation management. This is retribution for past affronts. This action in no way retroactively protects them from what was said.

I think he's just saying the case they would make to avoid being sued for breaching their fiduciary responsibility. Not that it's the actual reason. But Idk.

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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https://www.natesilver.net/ i was a casual reader of 538 back in the day. his substack feels pretty similar, if smaller in scope.

There's no cool map of how America is likely to vote in the next electioon the new site :(

You might enjoy some of the projects here, including a presidential approval map: https://projects.gelliottmorris.com

Maps for elections generally don't come out till a few months beforehand because there isn't enough polling data to make a meaningful prediction.

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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538 had a really accessible portal that evaluated the quality of pollsters. It made it very easy to know which polls were low-quality and therefore ignorable. It being an election year, it’s possible someone didn’t like their pollster rating. Thankfully, we still have Internet Archive. Edit: nm it was definitely the burrito battle royale bracket. Big burrito couldn’t handle the truth being revealed about their restau…

Fifty Plus One kinda does that now: https://fiftyplusone.news/methodology

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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> BTW, I approached ABC about buying back the former FiveThirtyEight IP*, and they said they wouldn't sell at any price because I'd criticized their management of the brand. --Nate Silver (538 founder) ABC seem pretty petty here.

So Nate & Co sell out to a big corporation then are upset that it does big corporation stuff? I'm more mad at Nate here because 538 was my go-to for political coverage pre-sellout, and because of his greed it went away.

I understand your frustration, but greed? He didn't owe you anything. So what if he cashed out?

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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So Nate & Co sell out to a big corporation then are upset that it does big corporation stuff? I'm more mad at Nate here because 538 was my go-to for political coverage pre-sellout, and because of his greed it went away.

538 had some decent years through its various sellout phases and imo hit its peak after Nate Silver left - he'd long since exposed himself more as a contrarian than a serious analyst and had become a real detriment to the brand. It was definitely sad to lose 538 how we did, but G Elliott Morris has really stepped up to continue the spirit on his Strength in Numbers blog. It's the best data-driven US politics reportin…

Clare Malone era of FIVE THIRTY EIGHT was among the most serious political journalism out there.

Re: ABC News has taken all FiveThirtyEight articles offline

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this is what the salesforces of the world do to startups every day. it is so painful to watch. billions upon billions wasted for just the stupidest possible reasons.

at least they aren't inefficient, like governments are. Because as you can clearly see market forces always lead to optimal resource allocations.

Let's also take a moment to begrudge how government's guiding mission isn't to reap profit off its citizens. Are you even really American if you don't want your leaders to milk you for every cent you're worth?
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