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Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by j_maffe »

Manuel_D wrote: post #112
j_maffe wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're straight-up lying. Very shameful thing to do in defence of a heinous act. UN experts condemn US executive order imposing fuel blockade on Cuba https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2026/02/un-experts-c...

If you read the link closely, nowhere does it actually say the US is employing military force to stop ships from docking in Cuba - that's what a blockade is. The author of the piece is essentially trying to redefine "blockade" to mean "embargo". Again, the ships that actually were boarded were doing illegal things like flying false flags to try and continue to trade with Cuba without triggering retaliatory tariffs.

As I said in my other reply to you, if it looks like a duck and act like a duck, it's a duck. Call it a de-facto blockade if you have to. Being this pedantic only serves to protect the image of a heinous crime.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by palmotea »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #110
some_random wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is explicitly not letting Cuba buy US goods, that's literally the only thing it's doing.

And blockading Venezuelan oil from reaching the island. Don't forget that part.

> And blockading Venezuelan oil from reaching the island. Don't forget that part.

Is the new Venezuelan leader still trying to send Cuba oil? Or has she stopped that?

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by daedrdev »

reillyse wrote: post #71
daedrdev wrote: post #38

The US has had an embargo on Cuba for a long time that exempted Food and Medicine, while other countries freely traded with Cuba. However, under the Trump admin it has turned into a de-facto blockade of all fuel, which really isn't the embargo, it's a new blockade by the US against Cuba. So I don't get why we blame it on the embargo when the current problems are clearly caused by the blockade. Cuba's previous economi…

but what has changed right now in this particular situation, is the fact that they are blockaded since January.

I made sure to mention that several times while complaining about the cuban government overall.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by anigbrowl »

Manuel_D wrote: post #43
vrganj wrote: post #39

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It's not the Cuban authorities that are impoverishing Cuba, that's just victim blaming. It is American imperialism, at least stand by your crimes.

A boycott is a crime? The US has decided not the trade with Cuba, that's it. Cuba is still free to trade with any other country that's willing to trade with them.

5 minutes before this post you were saying it's an embargo, not a blockade. Now it's a 'boycott'. I don't trust people whose arguments constantly shift to meet the rhetorical needs of the moment.

You don't like the Cuban government because they're communists, OK fine. I don't like the American policy of starving people for years on end while making high-minded sermons about the moral imperfections of the Cuban government.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

j_maffe wrote: post #101
Manuel_D wrote: post #87

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No really, it's an embargo and a promise to tariff other countries that don't also embargo Cuba. An embargo is like boycotting a store. A blockade is like standing around the store with a bunch of batons promising to apprehend anyone who tries to shop at the store. They are not the same.

They can beat around the bush to pretend what is effectively a blockade to be anything but a blockade. Call it a de-facto blockade if you have to. You're using technicality as a crutch. Edit: corrected it to blockade

It's not a blockade. Any country around the world is free to sail their cargo ships to Cuba and trade with Cubans. This will in turn, trigger tariffs against them in the US, but if countries really want to trade with Cuba they can.

A blockade is carried out through military force. Under a blockade ships are physically prevented from docking with the blockaded country, even if they're legally registered.

If you want to decry what the US is doing to Cuba, go ahead. But it is an embargo not a blockade.

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Post by dpark »

Manuel_D wrote: post #87
Someone wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FTA: “U.S. President Donald Trump resumed ramping up a six-decade-old American ecomonic embargo on Cuba in January after cutting off its main supply of oil from Venezuela and threatening sanctions on Mexico, its second largest supply, and any other country that provided oil to the island.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Cuban_crisis : “ The United States began blocking oil tankers heading to Cuba in February 2026…

No really, it's an embargo and a promise to tariff other countries that don't also embargo Cuba. An embargo is like boycotting a store. A blockade is like standing around the store with a bunch of batons promising to apprehend anyone who tries to shop at the store. They are not the same.

Blocking tankers from other countries is a blockade. It’s in the name.

It’s interesting to see you argue semantics because it implies you agree that the blockade is wrong.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by mrguyorama »

wiradikusuma wrote: post #18

From the perspective of a layman, isn't this bullying? Don't we suppose to have the UN where nations.. unite?

The UN was designed to not bind the powerful nations. That's the point of the security council.

Granted, little weird Russia kept a seat when the USSR broke up.

Sure, they will work hard to be a real place for mediation between small countries and unimportant parties, but they will veto anything against their interests.

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Post by dpark »

Manuel_D wrote: post #125
j_maffe wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can beat around the bush to pretend what is effectively a blockade to be anything but a blockade. Call it a de-facto blockade if you have to. You're using technicality as a crutch. Edit: corrected it to blockade

It's not a blockade. Any country around the world is free to sail their cargo ships to Cuba and trade with Cubans. This will in turn, trigger tariffs against them in the US, but if countries really want to trade with Cuba they can. A blockade is carried out through military force. Under a blockade ships are physically prevented from docking with the blockaded country, even if they're legally registered. If you want t…

Literally they are blocking tankers from other countries.

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

lostlogin wrote: post #118
Manuel_D wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These ships were flying false flags, which is a violation of maritime law. It's legal to board and size ships doing this, regardless of embargos.

Yet when Russia plays games with false flags and oil exports, American is too scared to act. Even with Russia adding Iranian attacks on US bases, the US remains quiet. It’s a strange world.

The US has in fact seized Russian shadow fleet vessels: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-seizing-venezuela...

Re: Cuba says it has run out of fuel, blames U.S. embargo

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Post by Manuel_D »

RobertoG wrote: post #88
Manuel_D wrote: post #67

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They have been boarding ships that fly false flags. That is, they claim to be flying under the flag of some country. But when the US contacts that country to confirm that the ship is really registered there, the government of that country replies that the ship is not, in fact, registered. This is legal to do regardless of the embargo against Cuba. There are plenty of ships that move good and resources to Cuba that do…

Your comment makes it look like is a police action instead of interfering in the business of third countries in international waters, with the express goal of causing economic pain.

The two are not mutually exclusive: The US embargo is done with the goal of economically hampering Cuba. The ships that try to skirt their home countries' participation in the embargo by flying false flags are being subject to police action.
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