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A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Yup, it’s called a brain drain and it’s why until recently America held a vice grip on groundbreaking research and its commercialization.

Historians looking back at this era are going to struggle to understand why we made the decisions we did.

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Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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We have never seen a presidential administration misunderstand soft power so badly. US universities were an incredible blessing to the “brand” of the USA. Foreign students come to the US, pay an inflated full sticker price, subsidizing US students, and learn from top educators who generally have a lens of Western values. Many of these students pursue permanent citizenship and bring with them new ideas, businesses, an…

Jm2c, but I really don't believe the "top educators" argument. People keep mixing correlation with causation. The reason why ivy league universities have generally stronger students is related to input: acceptance rates are lower and the weaker candidates are pre filtered. Public universities around the world, obviously get a much wider variance in the student pool. But that's about it. There is strong evidence that…

This isn’t just limited to ivy leagues, the same thing happens at state schools.

Many of my professors were from other countries. I literally wouldn’t have an education without immigrants.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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The people decided that this sucks and have spoken. Dear god, make America stupid again!

So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Maybe opposing points of view should pick better candidates that will actually win elections. That's how it works, right?

Maybe it’s time to split the country? We are so polarized with very different visions about the future and what is needed to reach and increase prosperity. Let Mississippi be Mississippi with Texas and Florida, let California find its own way with New York and Washington. Democracy is fine, but we are just too divided and either side thinks the other side is dragging all of us down, and refuse to believe it’s because of their own policies.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Education (and research like this example) seem to be one of the highest ROI things you can invest in. It's a shame it's so often seen as an easy place to make cuts.

Since this is the first comment that emphasizes research which most are conflating with graduate school in general. I think that is the salient effect of the funding cut, which affects research (PhDs) more than cash cow coursework programs such as Masters, MBAs, and JDs. Most are forgetting that US global position Post-WWII comes primarily from basic research -> applied research pipeline; Silicon Valley alone did not endow us with the internet, satellite, rockets, etc.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Maybe opposing points of view should pick better candidates that will actually win elections. That's how it works, right?

> So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Well, what should a democratic society do when that democracy votes to overthrow it and do fascism?

Probably accept it wasn't actually a fair system and put in some proper legislation about district drawing algorithms, voting access, and campaign financing.

You also have to take a good luck at the unelected legislative power of the supreme court, those clowns aren't doing democracy any favours.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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Not at all, the US is still the world leader in research institutions. And I say this as an European, we’re miles behind really. You have to make a lot more fuck ups for us to catch you.

Yeah, in Europe we simply don't have the money. And with an aging population and stagnant/declining productivity that seems unlikely to improve in the future. If anyone is going to overtake the US, it will be China.

Why is this even an "if" at this point? China's EV industry has overtaken the US's. They are at worst only slightly behind in AI -- all of the best large open weight LLMs are from Chinese companies, and there are more major Chinese LLMs chasing SOTA than western SOTA LLMs.

Literally everything the second Trump administration has done in office has made the Chinese much stronger in every possible way, and the USA much weaker.

The USA isn't completely doomed if we can get past the current madness somehow. However, while I don't know what post-Trump America looks like, the USA has permanently ceded political and technical leadership. Trump has sealed the US's fate.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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What a Rorschach blot. Comments range from AI to immigration to doomsday results for USA. The admins statement in TFA speaks more to financial policy and grant declines. Unfunded students are much less likely to accept an admission. That's just a fact of life.

They have $27 billion in their endowment. They are choosing not to fund those positions when they easily could on their own.

At this point, these well-endowed universities are essentially Private Equity firms, each with a university hanging off the side as a minor, semi-profitable department within the firm.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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post #21

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The people decided that this sucks and have spoken. Dear god, make America stupid again!

So you're suggesting our systems should be less democratic, then? Maybe opposing points of view should pick better candidates that will actually win elections. That's how it works, right?

This is trolling, or a glaring false dichotomy, or choosing not to recognize reality, or all three.

Complaining about the outcome of an election is not equivalent to advocating for non-democracy.

Much of what the US executive has done to intimidate foreign residents is illegal if not anti-American, such as revoking visas for writing op-eds in a student newspaper that the political leadership dislikes.

The gutting of funding at various universities was also done as political punishment.

So, I'm not sure what your point was.

Re: A message from President Kornbluth about funding and the talent pipeline

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, it’s called a brain drain and it’s why until recently America held a vice grip on groundbreaking research and its commercialization.

Historians looking back at this era are going to struggle to understand why we made the decisions we did.

Did you not consider the 5 second dopamine hit I got from owning the libs?
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