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What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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Meat not as a treat, but as a staple

Huh? As has been the case since our species evolved into homosapiens?

Sure, as has slavery and rape as a spoil of war, but we’ve managed to make that taboo in the last couple of hundred, so maybe there’s hope for us yet despite thousands of years of doing the wrong thing!

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It is hard to overstate how common that was in the nineties, at least here in Spain. Clouds would come out of family bars and diners when you opened the door. Movie theaters and art galleries would have people smoking inside as it was part of their intellectual aesthetic. During weddings giving out Cuban style cigars as a present was assumed. Schools would not allow it officially, but every bathroom and teacher loung…

Same in Greece, that came last in banning smoking in closed spaces since the last 5-6 years! Funny thing, now our clothes in taverns don't smell smoke anymore, but meat and garlic.

Coming from an essentially smoke-free country I remember being in Europe 20-odd years ago, going out to dinner with friends, and having everything absolutely reek of stale cigarette smoke afterwards. It was quite a shock when you haven't smelled cigarette smoke for years to go into a restaurant where you could barely see from one end to the other through the haze.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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what will our grand kids be shocked to read about us and our acceptable 'cigarettes'? plastic everywhere social media as news teflon fossil fuel cars sugar/ultra-processed food

You think that our grandchildren will be shocked by sugar, something that has been in use for hundreds of years (and that's just refined sugar, not counting natural forms)? Not very likely.

Seeing some "coffee" products sold I feel there is certain line involved. And we are clearly over it. 100-200 grams of sugar in single drink. I think some sort of limits might reasonably be in order with those outliers.

Not that limited use isn't reasonably fine.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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Fires—interesting point. I'm in a neighborhood in Omaha, Nebraska that is maybe 5 years old—new housing development. There are no chimneys on any of the homes. When I was in the Bay Area, sure, not a surprise. I am surprised the Midwaste gives a shit. (To be sure, everyone seems to have fire pits in their backyards, ha ha. You take what you can get, I suppose.)

I don't think new builds in this country (unless they're large houses and it's for show) have had chimneys for close to fifty years. Bathrooms needing an openable window for ventilation lasted longer than chimneys here and I guess those were gone by like the turn of the century because fans†?

I feel like kitchens even if not burning stuff should have proper extraction fans. So I think there likely will be more balanced view with proper ventilation and air quality.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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It's so strange sometimes watching tv shows and movies from the 90's where you see characters smoking indoors in public places. Like in Seinfeld you will have episodes where Kramer is smoking in offices....and even in the doctor's clinic! There was an episode where Kramer took out a cigar and smoked in a doctor's waiting room. I thought he would immediately get in trouble but none of the other characters cared. And t…

I feel like I was brainwashed so much harder by the anti-smoking and anti-tobacco lobby (i.e. state Departments of Health) over smoking in media. This is probably why it all disappeared...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Check_(program)

New York schools statewide constantly were and are bombarded with constant media and FUD that the single moment you see someone light a cigarette, that's marketing.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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post #13

and yet somehow that world seemed more healthy than today's

If you wear your nostalgia glasses it sure does "seem" more healthy. Life expectancy at birth in the 70s was 70.8. Now it's 79. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/data-finder.htm?&subject=Life%2...

Life expectancy is a useful summary statistic but not really a guide to healthy.

The main reason for the increase there is a reduction in child mortality, not an increase in overall healthiness. Ironically, one of the main factors improving the adult population statistics is the decrease in smoking.

But look at something like HALE (Healthy Life Expectancy from WHO[1]) that's much lower and is currently decreasing.

https://data.who.int/indicators/i/48D9B0C/C64284D

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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Cigarettes were recognised as the cause of lung cancer in the 1940s and 1950s, with the confluence of studies from epidemiology, animal experiments, cellular pathology and chemical analytics https://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/21/2/87

And to think that in the 1920s, doctors prescribed cigarettes for weight loss. And now the tobacco industry is moving on to weed, and repeating the same marketing tricks that they used to sell cigarettes nearly a 100 years back ...

It seems the case. I used to think weed was for enlightened individuals given how it was portrayed as a natural alternative to pharmaceuticals (e.g., for pain or psychological reasons). Many forms of media would discuss it positively. But it is still smoking and how many people really have medical justification for the usage?

Mushrooms have a similar portrayal I would say as some god-given superfood.

Re: What the Hell Was Going on with Cigarette Ads in the 70s? (2024)

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post #47

I miss this awful habit so much. Ever since quitting years ago I never really recovered. It’s like 35% of my mental focus and clarity evaporated. All these moments when something had to be figured out suddenly things became easy if you only went for a smoke. Solutions became crystal clear obvious and effortless. At a price. Without it is always like a little bit of heavy fog is obscuring everything. That I know could…

The trick is to hit a 'Ballmer peak', such that the overall experience is optimal. Long term effects included.

But for most psycho-active substances, such optimal dose / frequency is quite low (if not 0). A beer during a BBQ with friends? Fine. Some recreational drug to enhance the experience of say, a music festival? That I can understand.

But needing a smoke 10, 15..20x all day, every day? Look in the mirror, and admit: you're just an addict, damaging your health.

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