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Re: GitHub is sinking

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The issue is every AI coding tool integrates as a "GitHub App" (OAuth, PATs, webhooks etc.) first, over other code forges. This load is coming through their 3rd party app integrations. I bet the web/git volume isn't getting smashed as much.

I had to begrudgingly use GitHub over my preference GitLab to use some 3rd party AI features.

The solution for GitHub is to charge or rate-limit some of these 3rd parties integrations and come up with an equitable solution.

Re: GitHub is sinking

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The only real way to browse the site is to be logged in.

They will gradually authwall everything they can. Just look at linkedin.

Wouldn't this break Go and other build systems (npm?) that pull packages from github by default? Not that I endorse the practise, but will Microsoft really kick out such a big class of users?

Re: GitHub is sinking

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of all the awful things AI is doing and will be doing to society, killing centralized code hosting and social media will be its shinniest moments, both deserve to die painful deaths

Yes, the terrible sin of ... Hosting code where people can find it

I can’t remember the last time I looked for a project specifically on GitHub. I always come there via a link from another site.

Re: GitHub is sinking

#124

I often think about how I’d do it if I ran my own company. I would really like to see what it would be like doing all code reviews over email. The repo would just be a simple vps-style server with git-only ssh access, there’d be a particular for-review/ branch namespace for code to be reviewed, and CI would just be a bot waiting for branches to show up and would mark refs as good or not by just annotating/tagging the…

Ideally I would want the code review to be versioned as well with easily accessible history. That is, I would like to see the exact lines which a comment pertains to and when they were changed and switch back and forth. While e-mail is probably good enough as a protocol to exchange this data, the e-mail client is not a good way to view it in my opinion. Maybe we need a decentralised code review system as well.

Re: GitHub is sinking

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Yeah, I had the exact same response after reading the post. I mean, I'm all for jumping on the Microsoft hate train, but not if it misses the elephant in the room. Let's say the _perfect_ GitHub replacement spawns tomorrow? What's preventing the same infrastructure challenges of millions of lines of AI-generated code destroying it? I think centralized code hosting is pretty much going to get killed by AI. Just like i…

> I mean, I'm all for jumping on the Microsoft hate train, but not if it misses the elephant in the room. That elephant didn’t even exist yet for the first few years of poor uptime shown in the graph in TFA… I don’t really disagree if we’re talking about the recent uptime issues, but how does that explain the years 2020-2023?

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Re: GitHub is sinking

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Yah, the monitization bit is challanging. I'll ask my agent to click some of the ads GitHub serves it ;-) But getting this infrastructure right is crucial for a future where most of the code is AI generated. GitHub puts microsoft in a good position to experiment and learn how to optimize GitHub (enterprise) for the future. Nate b Jones on youtube, https://youtu.be/FDkvRl1RlT0?si=AEYlUchm_oalMSzf , argues that Atlassi…

> But getting this infrastructure right is crucial for a future where most of the code is AI generated. That's not the problem. The revenue model they have is based on a certain amount of usage from the people who do not pay (you, for example), and a certain amount of usage from the people who do pay (enterprises). If you 100x you usage, then they need 100x the infra, which means they need 100x the revenue. At that s…

Well either Microsoft finds a way, or Anthropic will. I'm sure they'd love to host all these projects with all the source and context. Maybe they should buy GitLab, or Atlassian.

Re: GitHub is sinking

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I've been running a self-hosted Forgejo. Extremely responsive and I've been really happy with it.

How many PRs from other people have you received on your self-hosted Forgejo instance?

> How many PRs from other people have you received on your self-hosted Forgejo instance?

They're free to email me a diff :-)

Jokes aside, the era of community built software is coming to an end. There is no place in the world now for a repository of open source projects.

Re: GitHub is sinking

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Yah, the monitization bit is challanging. I'll ask my agent to click some of the ads GitHub serves it ;-) But getting this infrastructure right is crucial for a future where most of the code is AI generated. GitHub puts microsoft in a good position to experiment and learn how to optimize GitHub (enterprise) for the future. Nate b Jones on youtube, https://youtu.be/FDkvRl1RlT0?si=AEYlUchm_oalMSzf , argues that Atlassi…

> But getting this infrastructure right is crucial for a future where most of the code is AI generated. That's not the problem. The revenue model they have is based on a certain amount of usage from the people who do not pay (you, for example), and a certain amount of usage from the people who do pay (enterprises). If you 100x you usage, then they need 100x the infra, which means they need 100x the revenue. At that s…

Also, one thing the numbers they published show is that the bits that are growing 10x YoY (and which they expect to get “worse”) are all the things that you get “unlimited” mileage off (even if you're a paying customer): repos, commits, PRs.

Things that have “usage based billing” (like action monites) grow closer to 2x YoY.

When there's a dollar amount attached, people don't 10x, because it's not worth it. They splurge when it's cheap, and unlimited.

Re: GitHub is sinking

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They will gradually authwall everything they can. Just look at linkedin.

Wouldn't this break Go and other build systems (npm?) that pull packages from github by default? Not that I endorse the practise, but will Microsoft really kick out such a big class of users?

Can't count the times a "nuget restore" in our CI fails with 401, just to succeed on a 2nd attempt a few seconds later. Seems like the IP range is somehow flagged, so there's definetly a downside to it.

Re: GitHub is sinking

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> But getting this infrastructure right is crucial for a future where most of the code is AI generated. That's not the problem. The revenue model they have is based on a certain amount of usage from the people who do not pay (you, for example), and a certain amount of usage from the people who do pay (enterprises). If you 100x you usage, then they need 100x the infra, which means they need 100x the revenue. At that s…

Well either Microsoft finds a way, or Anthropic will. I'm sure they'd love to host all these projects with all the source and context. Maybe they should buy GitLab, or Atlassian.

> Well either Microsoft finds a way, or Anthropic will.

Just what sort of nonsense is this? Neither of them are going to operate at a loss.

Why are you so convinced that they'd be happy to continue spending money on you and getting none in return?

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