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Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Post by FireBeyond »

tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

> Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is.

Garbage. That's some good spin, though. Siri is a turd in a punch bowl for many reasons that have nothing to do with privacy.

"Siri, do X thing" "Done"

"Siri, do [extremely similar to X] thing" "I don't know what you mean"

Siri is connected to my Apple HomeKit. "Siri, turn off my Kitchen Lights" "I don't know what lights you mean."

Siri feels like it never evolved past a proof of concept.

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Post by FireBeyond »

kypen wrote: post #35
stego-tech wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. The fact they're shoving AI into it and expanding it to providers who don't have privacy as a guiding principle is a key reason I'm sitting on a 14 Pro still, and why I'm exploring local alternatives with Home Assistant. Besides, we just need to set verbal timers and control music. We don't need a full-blown verbal Oracle.

Home Assistant is indeed quite nice and relatively simple to set up with the Docker images provided by the team. Device setup on iOS was a little inconsistent, but has been rock solid for over a year. Check out Homebridge as well. I run both.

What value do you get out of Home Assistant you don't from HomeBridge? I use HomeBridge for a few devices, my Windmill AC, some Govee lights, and previously my Ikea smart lights (Tradfri, but now Dirigera supports HomeKit).

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Post by samizdette »

jesterson wrote: post #113
jezzamon wrote: post #101

People here like it, but end-to-end encryption is an objectively worse user experience for people that don't care about that feature

How is it "objectively worse"?

I guess because it is harder to back up and recover and harder to sync between devices. Signal has made a lot of progress on those though.

Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Post by Aerroon »

milderworkacc wrote: post #3

I'm not sure if this meets the bar for substantive and thoughtful discussion, but this kind of corporate cowardice, enforced by unelected bureaucrats standing at the bully pulpit is only going to get worse as the noose tightens on the open web. The combination of hardware attestation and walled garden "app stores" is the end goal of most policymakers in this area, and it happens to suit the monopolists in Google and…

Hardware attestation really sounds like one of the worst things that could've happened to computers.

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Post by gregoryl »

2ndorderthought wrote: post #102
B1FF_PSUVM wrote: post #95

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> do not believe Instagram is reading Well, not when they had to pay people for it. Now, however ...

A lot of people are blissfully unaware how any piece of software is profitable. Tech and business literacy are terribly low.

*literacy is terribly low. Everyone using this site is blissfully inside a bubble of people who can at least read and write at a high school level.

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Post by glenngillen »

deaddodo wrote: post #99
glenngillen wrote: post #63

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Settings > Apple Intelligence & Siri > Allow Siri When Locked

Keeping in mind that this gives quite a bit of access to your data, depending on how someone wants to structure their query

Yeah. I've offset that by then long-pressing on any particularly sensitive apps I don't want to risk other people potentially being able to control via Siri and turning on "Require FaceID" just for those apps. Which then blocks Siri from being able to interact with them too.

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Post by danparsonson »

tardedmeme wrote: post #94
danparsonson wrote: post #91

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Are you asking for technical details about E2EE in messaging apps, or simply making the point that you don't like it? If you don't like it, then fine, you do you, however I would point out that we all accept some inconvenience in our lives as a trade off for improved security; the lock on my front door is inconvenient but I'd rather have it than not. As to whether or not Meta have been lying about it, then that would…

I'm asking you about how you want the world to work.

Well then, I think E2EE is a good thing and I'll take the minor inconveniences.

Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Post by Barbing »

FireBeyond wrote: post #121
tylerchilds wrote: post #13

Put simply: I’ve talked to Apple engineers. Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Everyone made fun of them for protecting them. This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.

> Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is. Garbage. That's some good spin, though. Siri is a turd in a punch bowl for many reasons that have nothing to do with privacy. "Siri, do X thing" "Done" "Siri, do [extremely similar to X] thing" "I don't know what you mean" Siri is connected to my Apple HomeKit. "Siri, turn off my Kitchen Lights" "I don't know what lights you mean." Siri feels like it never evolve…

> "Siri, do [extremely similar to X] thing" "I don't know what you mean"

It’s funny. Even a team of interns could’ve mapped more synonyms, right?

& Apple Intelligence, when it uses ChatGPT, it wouldn’t be quite as horrible if Apple had paid for better tokens instead of quantizing into oblivion… I think.

Two savings for Apple resulting in subpar experiences.

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Post by vasco »

garciasn wrote: post #73
yalok wrote: post #61

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building new features on top of E2EE is genuinely hard, and I've seen many companies struggle to keep innovating while staying strictly E2EE. Having seen multiple leading messaging/VoIP stacks from inside, the amount of engineering spent to work around various limitations of E2EE in real prod scenarios is insane, and even for simple every-day-use features metrics don't compare to the metrics of the same feature runni…

Then a more reasonable response is: “we cannot as effectively monetize all of the data in our advertising platform disguised as another tool entirely unless we disable E2EE and we need to be able to allow not only ourselves but others to invade your privacy even more than we already do because it’s technologically difficult to do so when we encrypt your communications.”

It's free to not use Instagram

Re: Meta Shuts Down End-to-End Encryption for Instagram Messaging

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Post by Barbing »

thephyber wrote: post #69
alex1138 wrote: post #34

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Do you know what Zuckerberg said in an interview? I think it was to Lex Fridman but I could be wrong "Apple hasn't come up with anything new in 20 years" Very likely in response to Apple's granularity. Poor Zuck can't steal people's credentials

I’m less impressed with Zuck every time I hear something new about him. Apple has made incredible progress in the last 20 years, but almost none of that has been a brand new product. It has all been evolving the existing products and on building the world’s best supply chain and rearing incredible market share from Windows. To be clear, AirPods are a much bigger market than Nike shoes. Those, plus Apple Watch, iPad a…

Anything groundbreaking in advertising? Meta ad tools are pretty granular.

(Looking for anything here!)

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