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Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by pnw »

Spooky23 wrote: post #96
kortilla wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you enumerate some of these benefits? They famously arrested Jack Ma for not bending to the CCP enough. I don’t think that’s really a benefit (e.g. if the equivalent in the US was Democrats arresting any CEOa politically against them).

How did Netflix do making a business decision that defied the wishes of the Ellison family? With Trump 47 there are literally pages of this sort of stuff. Other notable non-Trumpist example is Joseph Nacchio, the former CEO of Qwest. He refused to comply with a request for phone records without a warrant. The reaction was a drop in Federal business and a prosecution for insider trading.

That was over 20 years ago? And there were half a dozen Qwest executives who were profiting from insider trading on inflated revenues that started in 1999, long before the NSA incident in 2001. I remember it clearly because I had the misfortune of being a shareholder in that dog.

Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by bloppe »

486sx33 wrote: post #112
cheesecakegood wrote: post #103

I guess a little bit of background is helpful, which most people don’t realize, about carpet production. A lot (a LOT) of carpet is some variant of polyester since it’s just a really nice durability + cost + stain resistance mix (although the latter is one of its big weaknesses comparatively, important to note). Thus there is significant demand for stain guard options. Compounded on top of that is because although yo…

No one dunks finished carpet in dye. The dye house dyes the fiber, pre construction. https://youtu.be/FG2-af0xYOA The treatments like stain master are/were the problem, not the dye. Carpet is a wonderful product, even polys. It’s good we’re having a conversation about it, but vinyl flooring has far out passed carpet , and it is full of awful carcinogens, made in china, not disclosed, secret recipes. But , it can be u…

That video is AI-generated

Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by b40d-48b2-979e »

braingravy wrote: post #93
pfdietz wrote: post #71

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Silly? There are plenty of substances that are toxic at high dose and innocuous, or even necessary, at low dose. Examples of the latter are vitamins A and B6. The question of responsibility is of course not what we were talking about, but rather whether the statement "PFAS were known to cause issues" was in fact true. Too often we see possibility of harm being deliberately conflated with actually causing harm. Is it…

The chemical differences between PFAS and vitamin A and B6 are beyond vast. Comparing them betrays a complete ignorance of the molecular properties that, in combination with biological system processes, make A and B6 healthy at small doses and poisonous at large doses on one hand, and those that makes PFAS linearly poisonous at any given doses on the other. (And yes, you can be exposed to small amounts of toxins and…

It really feels along the lines of "prove lead is actually harmful rather than potentially harmful" with all the knowledge and evidence we currently have.

Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by 486sx33 »

bloppe wrote: post #122
486sx33 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one dunks finished carpet in dye. The dye house dyes the fiber, pre construction. https://youtu.be/FG2-af0xYOA The treatments like stain master are/were the problem, not the dye. Carpet is a wonderful product, even polys. It’s good we’re having a conversation about it, but vinyl flooring has far out passed carpet , and it is full of awful carcinogens, made in china, not disclosed, secret recipes. But , it can be u…

That video is AI-generated

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Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by 486sx33 »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #99
echelon wrote: post #15

I drive through Dalton anytime I visit Chattanooga (a cool hipster city on the border of Georgia and Tennessee). The scale of manufacturing there is wild. There are so many factories. Dalton makes something like 70-80% of the carpet in the world. They've had carpet factories there since I was a kid, but they're starting to expand into lots of other industries. They've begun massively ramping up on solar panel product…

I live in Chattanooga; it's wild to me that the City of Dalton maintain$ thousands of acres of public land simply to spray above-surface "treated" [PFS-containing] effluent "water," primarily generated by their carpeters. Why doesn't (e.g.) Shaw Manufacturing do this, directly (they do all the usual tax offsetting to not just answer "they pay taxes!" IMHO). This "treatment land" is literally adjacent to a river, whic…

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Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by themaninthedark »

derriz wrote: post #100
pessimizer wrote: post #57

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> I’m always reminded of the poll where 80% of Americans say that the country would benefit from a bigger manufacturing base but only 25% are interested in actually working in manufacturing. This is a silly statistic that manipulative people drag out to imply the answer that they want. If you asked people who work in factories right at this second, 75% of them would say that they didn't want to work in a factory. If…

You know nothing of my friends. Have you ever worked in a factory? I find the people most enthusiastic about manufacturing are the ones least likely to have stood at a station in a factory performing manufacturing "work" - the vast majority of which is mind-numbingly boring and repetitive yet with minimal opportunities for passing the time with idle social interaction or chit-chat. Of all the non-professional work I'…

I find it funny how you are describing it and acting like it is bad. In most of the topics dealing with WFH and return to office, a large number of the comment were along this vain:

"I really hate going into the office because I don't want to have to socialize with my coworkers, I just want to be able to do my work and be done with my day."

Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by derriz »

themaninthedark wrote: post #126
derriz wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know nothing of my friends. Have you ever worked in a factory? I find the people most enthusiastic about manufacturing are the ones least likely to have stood at a station in a factory performing manufacturing "work" - the vast majority of which is mind-numbingly boring and repetitive yet with minimal opportunities for passing the time with idle social interaction or chit-chat. Of all the non-professional work I'…

I find it funny how you are describing it and acting like it is bad. In most of the topics dealing with WFH and return to office, a large number of the comment were along this vain: "I really hate going into the office because I don't want to have to socialize with my coworkers, I just want to be able to do my work and be done with my day."

What acting have I been doing? Feels like a weasely way of accusing me of lying when I said I hated my experience of factory work. If you have had a different experience of factory work, let’s hear it. And preferably without the presumption - particularly the weird idea that being antisocial or asocial is the norm for human existence.

Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by xp84 »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #120
xp84 wrote: post #114

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I fail to see the harm done, I explicitly called it out as not verified. I just thought someone else might want to see the list of what actual harms are somewhat proven - instead of this vague sense of dread we’re told to have about “forever chemicals.”

Well what you returned is not exactly that it is dubious ai slop that is just as vague

Shouldn't it be vague? When nobody is or can do double-blind randomized trials, none of this is proven, it's just various strengths of correlation.

Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by hope2 »

slowgramming wrote: post #73
echelon wrote: post #15

I drive through Dalton anytime I visit Chattanooga (a cool hipster city on the border of Georgia and Tennessee). The scale of manufacturing there is wild. There are so many factories. Dalton makes something like 70-80% of the carpet in the world. They've had carpet factories there since I was a kid, but they're starting to expand into lots of other industries. They've begun massively ramping up on solar panel product…

I forgot about Dalton. Used to pass it occasionally growing up if we were heading up north to visit family. I knew they were big on carpet, but I did not know they produced such high volumes of carpet there

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Re: America's carpet capital: an empire and its toxic legacy

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Post by explatonxioran »

slowgramming wrote: post #73
echelon wrote: post #15

I drive through Dalton anytime I visit Chattanooga (a cool hipster city on the border of Georgia and Tennessee). The scale of manufacturing there is wild. There are so many factories. Dalton makes something like 70-80% of the carpet in the world. They've had carpet factories there since I was a kid, but they're starting to expand into lots of other industries. They've begun massively ramping up on solar panel product…

I forgot about Dalton. Used to pass it occasionally growing up if we were heading up north to visit family. I knew they were big on carpet, but I did not know they produced such high volumes of carpet there

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