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Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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It's so creepy that my kids didn't want to hear it (being read to them) with all the burning and stuff. However they also didn't want to listen to the classic fairy tales by Grimm and Andersen which are super creepy as well. Just think of burning witches or some Anderson fairy tale I remember where one guy is put into a bag and thrown into the river. It's not that I deliberately wanted to read the most creepy stories…

In the original Cindarella, don't the stepsisters mutilate their feet to try to fit them into the slipper? Talk about single-minded obsession...

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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I had a partner who was a teacher in very rough areas; the school principal was routinely called by the local gang leader to let school out early because rival gangs planned to have a shootout in the afternoon. Kids there were abused in more ways than I want to remember or recount, babies were sometimes found in dumpsters, and the whole thing had this constantly oppressive and hopeless atmosphere. My partner did her…

> The stories the kids always loved most were the Grimms, the violent ones. I think they allowed them to process and in some weird way make sense of what was happening in the real world around them, if such a thing is possible in that environment. I once read somewhere that after an earthquake, the children who drew pictures of the injuries and catastrophe, later showed fewer symptoms of stress and anxiety than the c…

> Seems like it's more beneficial to acknowledge the bad stuff than to encourage positive thinking.

Psychologists are sure it is. You should get all your traumatic experience and deal with it. You'd better learn how to remember these things without panic attacks or whatever. And the methods they use is replaying the traumatic memories multiple times while controlling the emotional state. The controlled emotional state sticks to the memories and replaces the one that was remembered before.

Well, that's the theory at least. I tried it and it kinda work but not perfectly, it may require some recurrent sessions over time if the effect fades. Though if you practice it a lot, it becomes a habit, an automatic response to traumatic memories, so any memory replay reduces the strength of the memory.

It is like a positive thinking (you get your negative reaction to the memories and replace it with a positive one... well, maybe just less negative), but it is definitely not burying unprocessed memories deep inside your mind.

> the children who drew pictures of the injuries and catastrophe, later showed fewer symptoms of stress and anxiety

I believe it is easier for kids, they are more focused on "here and now", and just replaying a memory in a safe environment has much stronger therapeutic effect than for adults. It is easier for adults to ignore the present safety and to dive deep into their past memories with all the associated emotions, so replaying memories can easily make them worse by intensifying remembered emotions.

Adults have crystallized worldviews, which were probably shaped by their traumatic memories, and it shapes their automatic emotional response, and makes matters worse, harder to change. Children are more fluid, they have more plasticity.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Yes, but Claude (cleverly disguised as "storica.club") does not agree with the facts, and would rather show you a story with virality potential. This is an obviously AI-generated site. There is no interest on correctness, just "engagement".

What are the Claude "indications"? Because there's a danger now that any writing (human or otherwise) can be labeled LLM-produced. So we need accurate heuristics, or none at all.

Staccato sentences, em dashes, word choice, the headings, "X is not Y. It's Z.":

> The legacy of the book has almost nothing to do with the satire. It has to do with the language.

Or this also reads very LLM like to me:

> None of the cruelty is gratuitous, exactly. It is dramatised exhaustion with the genre.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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I'm not disputing that, my gripe is with the part ">20 y/o people can't speak for themselves and are overly shy". Can we really put an entire generation under this flag? Idk... I've met some 20 somethings and they seemed pretty functional to me.

You conveniently left out the the "we have many" part of that sentence you quoted. No one is suggesting it's the entire generation, or that there aren't plenty of 20-somethings who socially very functional. But there is evidence out there that Gen Z has higher levels of shyness and social anxiety than previous generations. I personally believe overprotectiveness is one causative factor among others, although I'm not…

I didn't, read my original comment...

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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You conveniently left out the the "we have many" part of that sentence you quoted. No one is suggesting it's the entire generation, or that there aren't plenty of 20-somethings who socially very functional. But there is evidence out there that Gen Z has higher levels of shyness and social anxiety than previous generations. I personally believe overprotectiveness is one causative factor among others, although I'm not…

I didn't, read my original comment...

Your "gripe" ignored it, even if you quoted it in your first comment.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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I didn't, read my original comment...

Your "gripe" ignored it, even if you quoted it in your first comment.

Sure, so tell me what's "many"? 20%, 50%, 90%? Tell me how much semantic value what I left out gives the sentence.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Your "gripe" ignored it, even if you quoted it in your first comment.

Sure, so tell me what's "many"? 20%, 50%, 90%? Tell me how much semantic value what I left out gives the sentence.

"Many" here means some value more than previous generations to the point that it's noticeable to the general public. It doesn't mean everyone.

Re: Pinocchio is weirder than you remembered

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Sure, so tell me what's "many"? 20%, 50%, 90%? Tell me how much semantic value what I left out gives the sentence.

"Many" here means some value more than previous generations to the point that it's noticeable to the general public. It doesn't mean everyone.

My interpretation was many as in "the vast majority", which would qualify for "put an entire generation". Of course you can't have every single person fall under such a category, this is absurd and you are deliberately not giving me the benefit of the doubt just to nitpick.

But in any case, is this even true? That this generation of 20 something, as OP said, "can't speak for themselves and are overly shy"? That's my gripe. I don't think it is, at least not in such an immediately obvious way. Hope it clarifies. If it doesn't I can only wish you a happy life.

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