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Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Anti-emulation Nintendo was caught repacking a pirated ROM. https://www.eurogamer.net/did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-...

A correct ROM packaged using the emulation community's standard file format will exactly match a pirated copy. There is no story here. After the article came out, Nintendo even created their own incompatible ROM packaging format just to spite that article.

> Nintendo even created their own incompatible ROM packaging format just to spite that article

Leave it to Nintendo to innovate entirely new reasons for people to hate them. It's like they have an entire department dedicated to it.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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because intellectual property laws are inherently worthy of respect and they are never used against consumers ever

No consumer is entitled to play a game. They are free to go find another game to play and there are millions of other games out there that they could legally access and play.

No corporation should be entitled to 200 year monopolies on what amounts to bits of information.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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I wonder how they must have felt to have coded a 9/11 scenario of Arsenal Gear crashing into the Twin Towers, and then watched it actually happen a few months later. This was cut from the game but is still in the source code leak, just commented out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNSPx-oRV60 Also note that the source code was leaked on April 30th :p

At least that was cut from the game. I remember that episode from The Lone Gunmen, the X-Files spin-off series, where they stopped the (inside job) hijacking of a commercial airplane from crashing into the twin towers, which aired just a few months before the attack. I only watched it a few years later, and I had to double check the airing date.

Here's another interesting one. I think they cut a scene from a movie too.

https://youtu.be/Ozz8uxW733Q?t=81

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Not much, just accurately predicted the next 30 years exactly

Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

> but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers?

MGS always rides the line between "it's actually just tecnology" and "no, it was really supernatural." This is true of Psycho Mantis in MGS1 as well, and The Sorrow in MGS3 is literally a ghost. I assume that Kojima has read up on the Stargate Project and other psychic soldier projects and likes to think about "what if one of those bore fruit?" Anyway, in the context of Fortune, it's a dramatic take on that: her powers were actually a magnetic device planted on her by The Patriots, but ACTUALLY actually she really does have some psychic ability which allows her to fight Ocelot in her final moments.

> And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone?

Well, that's actually pretty straightforward. You fought Solidus Snake, who was the third clone of Big Boss, and the "main antagonist" of the game (scare quotes because arguably the Patriots are the real antagonists). At the end of the game, it is revealed that Raiden's girlfriend Rosemary is a) real, b) alive, c) pregnant and d) being held captive by the Patriots, and they task Raiden with killing Solidus if he ever wants to see her again. Why a sword fight? I dunno, some things we must simply chalk up to "because it's cool."

If you want to dive further into who Solidus was, yes, he was also a pseudo-father to Raiden, in the sense that Raiden was raised as a child soldier and Solidus was (at the time) his commander. Solidus was President during the events of MGS1 under the name George Sears, but by MGS2 he's leading the Sons of Liberty as part of his anti-Patriots plot. Unfortunately, Ocelot is still working as a Patriots double-agent at this point, and Raiden's involvement is in turn orchestrated by the Patriots, so it doesn't quite work and the whole operation is manipulated from the start.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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During the mainline of the game you are an anti terrorist specialist sent to rescue the president from a bunch of stereotypical mad bombers Well, basically, the leader of the terrorists is the 43rd US president, who is a clone of a super soldier despite being ostensibly anti cloning in office. (Yes, he's Dubya). He's planning to detonate a nuclear weapon above Manhattan so an EMP field knocks out all communications.…

...what? I watched the Dunkey video linked elsewhere and thought he was making it up, he wasn't? The whole story is just random stuff happening?

Just play the games. They're good fun.

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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Who cares? Who said anything about recreating the exact code? You will get usable, compilable, and surprisingly readable source code, in your language of choice, that yields the functional equivalent of the binary. Barring obvious edge cases that could show up but don't usually, like intentional race conditions. Timing is the one area where things get iffy.

That is quite incredible if that is true. Need to read a bit into that. Can you point towards relevant literature/examples? Also: please see my questions in the comment to your other reply

This blog post is a great starting point: https://blog.chrislewis.au/the-unexpected-effectiveness-of-o...

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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post #68

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Everyone focuses on that part, but what the hell was with the girl that could repel bullets but it turns out that it was magnets but actually maybe she does have powers? And what about the weird thing where you start sword fighting your father/president/clone? Yeah I know, sure, fake information on the internet. It's so prescient I guess, but the actual story is incomprehensible.

A lot of people focus on the whole dynamic of corleone family and their position in American society in the Godfather. But seriously did you see what vito was eating in the restaurant?? Makes no sense Kojima always has some paranormal activity in his games. And he does like to subvert expectations about what is technology and what is paranormal

Veal doesn’t make sense?

Re: Metal Gear Solid 2's source code has been leaked on 4chan

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You have it precisely backwards. Culture belonging to the people is the default, natural state, and copyright is an unnatural legal fiction that should only be tolerated insofar at it produces a net positive in terms of promotion of the arts and sciences. Unfortunately, the whole intellectual property concept has been co-opted by big business for rent-seeking. I don't think the Konami execs are at a board meeting say…

Culture may belong to people, but intellectual property like source code doesn't. It's protected by NDAs for the express fact that it doesn't become part of what the people have. Copies of the game have been released for people to play to directly experience the game. >unnatural legal fiction It is extremely natural for someone to have ownership over what one has created. If you make a beautifully designed pendant so…

> Culture may belong to people, but intellectual property like source code doesn't.

> It is extremely natural for someone to have ownership over what one has created.

Intelectual property is an oxymoron, and no oxymoron can be natural. Only scarce things can be property. Making non-scarce things (e.g. binary code) act as property is conflict-seeking behavior that often results in the violation of real ownership of others.

> It's protected by NDAs for the express fact that it doesn't become part of what the people have.

NDA do not protect IPs. While they restrict the flow of information, they are still contracts, and bounded by their limits as such.

> If you make a beautifully designed pendant someone can't just steal it from you and claim that they are "archiving it" and want to experience culture.

Yes, someone can "steal" (copy) my beatiful design on the basis that they own their own pendant materials. To prevent that is to violate their private property rights and, in some cases, their right to live.

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