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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it really has to be a live system, they could just set one up in a broom closet at hq?
A good live demo would be to set it up pointing to a fishtank. You fire up the demo, you see the fish. No privacy invasion but everyone gets to see how the camera behaves.
Unfortunately, it does need to show that you can identify individual people in large rooms, long hallways, outdoor facilities, and vehicles or plate #'s in parking lots, roads, etc.
But the live demo should be Flock's own offices, not their customers.
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…
Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.
Vandalism.
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Looting is done for fun too. It must suck to have kids show up for practice in the morning and some of the essential gear is gone. It doesn’t matter if it is inexpensive to replace, you still have to cancel class and take a day or two up replace it, file a police report, etc
Right, but why is a Flock camera a better approach than: insurance, on-prem camera, etc. The Flock camera doesn't prevent theft. It increases remote viewing (especially if it's used in a demo to strangers they aren't customers yet, doubly especially if those strange customers are doing it because the might want to see young gymnasts)
normally a condition of insurance is that you have CCTV and other preventative systems in place.
> The Flock camera doesn't prevent theft.
Not directly, but it does increase the chance of the perpetrator getting caught (not flock, the camera) in theory this means that less people are about to steal/break stuff.
Also sign posts with saying that "this place has surveillance" tends to reduce opportunists.
On a side note I would recommend volunteering at a community centre/sports/scouts/library. First its extremely rewarding, and secondly you learn about how things are in the real world "for the normals"
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#125> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…
The camera's main selling point is instilling fear: better not misbehave, because Big Brother is watching. The creepier it is, the easier it is to sell to powerful people looking for invasive control.
Surveillance cameras have been everywhere since the early 90s and lo and behold crime still exists!
Turns out people are either under the influence or simply amazingly stupid. And obviously there is a capacity problem: NYPD isn't going after every purse snatcher.
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#126> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…
Dunwoody asked the JCC for camera access in case of live shooter events but then used it for many other reasons.
“ In September 2024, Dunwoody PD Major Patrick Krieg requested access to the private securiy cameras at a community center on behalf of the department. When the community center pushed back and demanded to know what the access would be used for, Krieg was unambiguous: “This is solely for real-time critical incident response.” The community center agreed to share their cameras, including cameras in gymnastics rooms, pools, and fitness studios, with Dunwoody PD for emergencies”
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
That little man has eroded any respect that he might have been a priori granted with his publicly documented descent into a vibecoding mania. I'm still in disbelief that the very silly photographer guy is the CEO of ycombinator. Ah well, it was a good era.
isnt it the same sort of reason you guys have actors for presidents? its about how well you can sell the message, not how good you are behind the scenes, thats what normies are for.
Thats a big part of it. Customers go into a flock demo with motivated reasoning. "Im scared. Im not sure i should be this scared."
Seeing a vulnerable set of kids happily playing and hearing a confident voice say "A shooter could end all this. We can prevent it" validates that and closes the sale.
If a cautious pragmatist goes to the demo thinking "i know crime stats have declined for decades and im concerned about misuse of technology." Then a performatively confident person says "this is a component of a massive surveillance state ripe for misuse. It will give us footage of crimes and only stop a small percentage of them," how well do you think it would sell?
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but why is a Flock camera a better approach than: insurance, on-prem camera, etc. The Flock camera doesn't prevent theft. It increases remote viewing (especially if it's used in a demo to strangers they aren't customers yet, doubly especially if those strange customers are doing it because the might want to see young gymnasts)
normally a condition of insurance is that you have CCTV and other preventative systems in place. > The Flock camera doesn't prevent theft. Not directly, but it does increase the chance of the perpetrator getting caught (not flock, the camera) in theory this means that less people are about to steal/break stuff. Also sign posts with saying that "this place has surveillance" tends to reduce opportunists. On a side note…
At least for private households, it's not mandatory to have surveillance cameras at home. If you do have one though, they will demand footage and can deny your claim if it was off, or worse. https://youtu.be/UMIwNiwQewQ?t=903
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Answer to 1 is simple and obvious based on Flocks previous actions: they have no idea what they are doing and are reacting instead of planning.
or they have exact idea what they are doing and don't give a shit
It is unfortunate to all of us, but I think you are right. And the more they go with the conversation they are the victims the worse it will get.
Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
normally a condition of insurance is that you have CCTV and other preventative systems in place. > The Flock camera doesn't prevent theft. Not directly, but it does increase the chance of the perpetrator getting caught (not flock, the camera) in theory this means that less people are about to steal/break stuff. Also sign posts with saying that "this place has surveillance" tends to reduce opportunists. On a side note…
At least for private households, it's not mandatory to have surveillance cameras at home. If you do have one though, they will demand footage and can deny your claim if it was off, or worse. https://youtu.be/UMIwNiwQewQ?t=903
Yeah, I wouldnt have that in my house