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"People who don't use AI will be left behind"

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Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#121
I have a feeling that a big risk of using AI all the time is that our own neurological capacity starts to dwindle.

Just as many people leading sedentary lifestyles have to make a deliberate effort to exercise, because inactivity is really bad for our bodies, I think we're going to realise that a similar process is necessary for our minds.

You really want to be spending a bit of time every day operating at your cognitive limits - trying to fully engage your System 2 - if you want to avoid brain atrophy. Coding used to kind of give you this exercise for free, but you can go really far with just your System 1 nowadays - literally get things done while scrolling Reddit.

I'm trying to allocate 30-60 minutes a day to doing something difficult, like writing code by hand for an unfamiliar problem or reading and summarising difficult papers without AI.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not what the GP said at all. I am definitely not a Boomer, and I fully agree with them. They are lamenting the loss of control over your own general purpose computing system, and how our capitalistic society run by oligarchs is enforcing that through economic pressures. There is nothing in their comment that praises their hard work, intelligence, or claims younger people are incapable.

> our capitalistic society run by oligarchs is enforcing that through economic pressures. Which the people retiring soon, like the one I'm replying to, helped build with their labor, funded with their investments to get rich and enjoy their 401ks, leaving the current generations holding the bag. Nobody's innocent here. When Zuckerberg brought out his checkbook to poach engineers to build the Spybook 9000 social netwo…

Oh, I fully agree with you that the Boomers completely fucked the world to advantage themselves and then pulled the ladder up for their kids and grandkids. But I don't think it's fair or reasonable to reply to a single individual by trying to foist the responsibility of an entire generation onto their shoulders, especially when they were not expressing any of the words you that were trying to put into their mouth.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#123
post #104

People not using AI will 100% get left behind as sure as those refusing to 'cars' or 'computers'. There is absolutely not doubt; and it will be impossible to avoid as using 'plastic' or 'electricity'. The narrow challenges of 'AI aided development' or 'AI aided creative work' are legitimate - that part is real and fair, but it'd be an over-statement to contemplate 'not using it'. The cyclists who keep their muscles s…

all those words and not one concrete claim made. in other words, FUD. the whole point of the article.

I made very concrete claim: that AI will be universal and widespread - embedded within all of the technology and systems we use.

It's so completely obvious, that anyone denying it has to be living in some kind rhetorical bubble.

It's truly a feature of 'online rhetoric' like HN/Reddit where people can consider these asymptotic postures and take themselves seriously.

We will use AI like you use plastics, cars, electricity, computers etc..

That's it.

I'm sure there were a few people who thought that 'hand writing machine instructions' was the 'one true way' of writing software, but hey, what would we call them in hindsight?

There are so many legitimate ways to be curmudgeon or wary of AI, but this reactionary stuff is anti-reason. It's not an argument, it's guttural, we should just ignore it.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#124
I think of AI as just another abstraction layer, somewhat similar to what high-level programming languages provide compared to writing machine code. Deciding how deep to understand the abstraction layers is a choice the user has to make, which could be optional if they don't really need to.

Nevertheless, the responsibility of whatever a human produces with AI is still on the human.

With that said, knowing how to use AI the way it's right for you can give you a huge advantage. You don't have to though. And there is not a standard way of doing it.

What I recommend to everyone is give it a try and see if and how it could help you. At the end, you have to make the decision based on your constraints and what you're aiming to and can sacrifice, including but not limited to speed, accuracy, learning, etc.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#125

Some people who don't use AI will be left behind - those who work on things where LLM's are capable of a substantial amount of the tasks will be left behind if they just refuse to leverage the superhuman properties that LLMs have. I don't think it's hard to catch up if such a person changes their mind, though. Some people who do use AI will be also left behind - those who use it to replace their skills without develo…

>those who work on things where LLM's are capable of a substantial amount of the tasks will be left behind

It sounds more like there is no chance that most of those people will stay employed, regardless of how "ahead" they try to stay.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#126
In the 1950s, COBOL was introduced with the idea that programming could be written almost as if one were speaking English. But eventually people realized that writing COBOL well, in a style that resembles English conversation, was itself difficult.

Today, we are hearing a similar claim: “If you can describe the program in natural language, programming is basically finished.” But the industry is now discovering that describing the program well is the hard part.

This is also why ideas like harness engineering are appearing: methods for controlling the range of outputs, from poor to excellent, that can emerge from minimal input.

And honestly, I do not think the “vibe coding” phenomenon is entirely bad. The essence of programming is automation. Many people were previously limited because they did not know programming languages. Now, through AI, they can express themselves and turn that expression into working apps. Seeing this, I understand how deeply people have wanted to create.

I write industrial software that runs in large factory environments, and because of the nature of my work, it is difficult for me to use AI directly. These environments are usually closed networks, so AI does not really benefit my own production work. Even so, I still defend AI, because it functions as a new kind of voice that allows more people to express themselves..

Of course, capitalism distorts this. Many people use AI to chase money and capital, and as a result, a lot of low-quality apps are being produced. But on the other hand, what is wrong with the motivation of wanting to make something one wants to make?

I have been studying the history of programming, and I like Dijkstra’s famous line:

> Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes..

To me, this means that computing is fundamentally about automation.

AI has existed as a research topic almost since the birth of computers. We tend to think of it as recent, but it is a field with a history of more than sixty years. Starting from early work such as the Perceptron, there have always been people claiming that AI was a fraud or an illusion.

But now a new seed has germinated. The amount of complexity that a single human can handle has increased. Historically, the techniques for managing that complexity were things like programming patterns and software architecture. And even people who strongly argued for software architecture also warned that if architecture becomes detached from code, then something has gone wrong.

Memes always damage the essence of ideas. As information circulates, it degrades, and eventually the original meaning disappears.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a good example. The original paper was not simply saying, “ignorant people show off, while knowledgeable people do not.” It was more about how both less competent and more competent people can have difficulty accurately assessing their own metacognition. But the idea became distorted.

The same thing happens to many famous ideas in programming. Knuth’s statement about premature optimization is also constantly distorted as it circulates.

In that situation, can we really say it is always bad to step away from online communities and learn through AI while cross-checking against books?

When I see people making extreme claims about this, I sometimes find it absurd. Of course, many people may flag or downvote my comment. But this is how I see it.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#127
post #28

Black-and-white thinking like this is not healthy. You can still do creative thinking while using AI as a powerful tool at your disposal. Some mathematicians like Terence Tao are comfortable doing this, for example.

People also used to say that Google or calculators will make you dumber. Neither happened. Won't happen with this either.

Sounds like you haven't used it much. It starts small with you forgetting the arcane params to commonly used tools that you don't need to type anymore. Where it will stop nobody knows.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#128

I sympathise with the author and the argument. I know the text is a rant. As such, I can understand that the proposed consequences might not make sense. Yet still, there is a fun game you can play, where you replace AI by "chess engine" and you get a text that would be fitting for a late 90s chess grandmaster but seen as totally anachronistic today: "Chess players who don't use engines will be left behind", they say.…

> "Chess players who don't use engines will be left behind"

Unfortunately this is absolutely true for classical chess at the professional level, w.r.t. preparation.

Not detracting from your point though, for the other 99.9% of chess players.

Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#129

Thank ghod I'm retiring in six months. I'm very thankful I came of age during the golden age of personal computing. I was able to own my own computer(s) and earn a living writing software on them and for them. Fifty years was a good run, and I consider myself lucky to have participated in it. IMO we've gone full circle: dumb terminals chained to mainframes and the whimsey of someone else's rules, restrictions, and re…

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Re: "People who don't use AI will be left behind"

#130

Thank ghod I'm retiring in six months. I'm very thankful I came of age during the golden age of personal computing. I was able to own my own computer(s) and earn a living writing software on them and for them. Fifty years was a good run, and I consider myself lucky to have participated in it. IMO we've gone full circle: dumb terminals chained to mainframes and the whimsey of someone else's rules, restrictions, and re…

It's a bit arrogant and borderline Luddite to suggest that 'your era was legitimate' and that somehow these new things which you don't understand are somehow 'lesser' or illegitimate. In the long arc of history, I'm doubtful we'll see 'the last 50 years' as 'the Golden Age' - that's just a personal, contemporary romanticization. More than likely, the advent of computers -> web -> AI etc. will be one block of the 'inf…

The Luddites were rational. It's immature to use that word as an insult.

Nothing the parent said was arrogant.

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