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Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Yeah, sounds like a law that's passed because it sounds/polls good (ie. "affordability"), even though it's addressing a non-existent problem and is trivial to work around.

Uber pays drivers differential rates depending on how desperate they believe the driver to be. I can believe that UberEats demands a higher premium depending on the item and what they infer about you.

Right, but the law mentioned in TFA is specifically for grocery stores

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber pays drivers differential rates depending on how desperate they believe the driver to be. I can believe that UberEats demands a higher premium depending on the item and what they infer about you.

Right, but the law mentioned in TFA is specifically for grocery stores

From TFA

  Maryland’s law bans grocers and third-party delivery services from using a person’s personal data to set higher prices.

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Sadly, this article doesn't explain how this "surveillance pricing" (which is just a scarier-sounding synonym for "dynamic pricing") would even work in a physical grocery store. Like, prices are displayed on the shelf for everyone to see. And they have to match what you pay at checkout. So how the heck would a grocery store even do this? And this law is specifically around grocery stores . Like, there was a big kerfu…

Is the weather forecast calling for significant snow accumulations? Increase bread prices.

That's how

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but the law mentioned in TFA is specifically for grocery stores

From TFA Maryland’s law bans grocers and third-party delivery services from using a person’s personal data to set higher prices.

That says nothing about the driver?

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Is this why grocery stores are so keen to get you to use their coupon app or hand them your phone number? I always refuse, but I always wondered what they do with the data.

The amount of "discount" is so much that they must be getting a large income stream from the data. Whenever I see something where the shelf sticker claims a lower price for "digital coupon" (meaning: use their app), I put the item back onto the shelf and move on. I'm willing to use the loyalty cards, but I am not willing to allow the sort of surveillance data that phone apps provide. Margins on items at grocery store…

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Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Sadly, this article doesn't explain how this "surveillance pricing" (which is just a scarier-sounding synonym for "dynamic pricing") would even work in a physical grocery store. Like, prices are displayed on the shelf for everyone to see. And they have to match what you pay at checkout. So how the heck would a grocery store even do this? And this law is specifically around grocery stores . Like, there was a big kerfu…

Its probably easier these days for a customer to fight the checkout price than it would be for the store to implement surge pricing or whatever they want to do. Just take a timestamped photo of the price when you pluck the product off the shelf and compare it at the register. We could probably make an app that does all the calculating for you to verify and the only thing one would need to do is take a bunch of pictures as they shop, which is fairly trivial.

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Is it weird to be pro free market but to be against this kind of pricing? I can’t seem to square the positions.

Depends on what you mean by "free market". If you think "free market" means market participants should just be free to do whatever they want then yeah, it's weird. But if you think "free market" means that products and prices should be determined by supply/demand and a competitive race to the bottom between market participants, then it's not weird at all.

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Many people do not have more than 1 grocery store as an option.

Good point, we should regulate pricing models in service of the 0.000001 percent of people that live in places like Kingman, Arizona.

Please go look up what a Food Desert is.

Re: Maryland becomes first state to ban surveillance pricing in grocery stores

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buyers and sellers should be able to negotiate prices however they want. It is how markets have worked since the dawn of human trading. It would also be costly to police. If the problem is that a grocery store has a monopoly in an area, then that is a different problem fixed by adding grocery store(s).

Most pricing laws are built on the idea that this isn't OK. For example, I can't negotiate pricing directly with an automobile manufacturer. I have to go through a dealer so I am "protected".

There are special laws made to protect the dealer's position. This is an exception not the rule.

You should justify why it is improving price (or something) for consumers if you want to hold it up as an example.

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