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You could write this from the perspective of a historical luddite [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite ] and the points would be identical.

And they had a valid point.

I am glad I don't live in a world where clothing costs as much of my income as it would have if I lived in the early 19th century.

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Completely fair - but at least my PoV comes from having actually worked as a SWE, you know? I feel like the best understanding this fellow can have is purely secondhand from watching the success / failures of his students. I also think I get doubly upset from advice like this because it’s given and marketed to impressionable young students. Even agreeing with all the moral points he’s made, I truly think this advice…

Buddy... The whole point of the post is that he wants his students to question whether "succeeding in this market" is really the right choice.

It's really not though.

The point is to decide what success is for yourself. Learn everything you can about the thing you might decide to automate. But think before you automate and how you do so because it could cause more harm then good.

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Courage is not the appropriate word

I think it fits. Look at the anonymous posts in here, the sheer volume of posts saying this person is failing their students, is a relic, a Luddite, etc. He put his name and career on it. That takes courage in my opinion.

There were never going to be repercussions for this, so not very courageous.

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> It feels almost unethical to train you as computer scientists only to send you out into a world where entry-level computing jobs...

lol.

We millennials are in a position to start giving advice the way boomers used to do with us, now that school is looking more like a couple decades ago instead of just one.

But, unlike those boomers, we don't watch the nightly news: we snort it from a tiny screen all day long from sources hyper engineered to feed off our anxiety.

So we give all this super pessimistic advice.

"Back in my day, I got a job at google right after college and it was awesome! My code was elegant! You guys are FUCKED!"

I agree that AI is creating mega changes, many very bad, but that doesn't mean that it's a good idea or even true to tell GenZ people they're fucked. We don't know if they're fucked.

I think they could have a ton of fun with software and I think it's OK to be encouraging about that.

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I agree, some of this is awful advice for a entry level engineer: > * Cultivate your ability to think deeply. Do whatever it takes to carve out distraction-free bubbles for yourself in both space and time. This might mean saying no to technologies or patterns of working that others say are critical or inevitable. An entry level engineer is going to be inundated with a lot of technology they've never heard of and a lo…

Sounds to me like someone who enjoys programming as an intellectual pursuit, as a craft, as an art. I suspect there are more than a few students in the CS program that also feel that way. Clearly they're the intended recipient. If programming is all about making the most money then by all means disregard everything he says.

I think it is fine advice for someone doing computer science in academics. It is just bad advice for students going into industry.

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#126
I use LLM, but LLM need a constraint, that human jobs to make constraint rules. why? because at the end, human use the software products. LLM can review a code when human input the prompt to review the code, LLM can pretend to be a customer when human input the prompt. My thoughts is LLM like big library, thats why human need to decide the constraint, human can say no when LLM give the code. Human can move fast to break things when LLM give code.

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I agree, some of this is awful advice for a entry level engineer: > * Cultivate your ability to think deeply. Do whatever it takes to carve out distraction-free bubbles for yourself in both space and time. This might mean saying no to technologies or patterns of working that others say are critical or inevitable. An entry level engineer is going to be inundated with a lot of technology they've never heard of and a lo…

Sounds to me like someone who enjoys programming as an intellectual pursuit, as a craft, as an art. I suspect there are more than a few students in the CS program that also feel that way. Clearly they're the intended recipient. If programming is all about making the most money then by all means disregard everything he says.

It can be both. People ride horses for leisure; no one commutes on them.

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I think it fits. Look at the anonymous posts in here, the sheer volume of posts saying this person is failing their students, is a relic, a Luddite, etc. He put his name and career on it. That takes courage in my opinion.

There were never going to be repercussions for this, so not very courageous.

Professors get fired too, and pressure can come down from chairs to change or be gone. Having been in academia, it can be more cut throat than FAANG

Re: To my students

#130
What an incredibly nihilistic thing to communicate to your students. “Our society is failing. I’m terrified, and you’re probably fucked. Love is love tho Why not encourage your students to be curious about emerging technology, and to engage with society as an informed citizen?

This reeks of political activism, and it’s reminiscent of the general BlueSky-esque tone of the Correspondents Dinner shooter’s manifesto.

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