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Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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This is great, your suggestion to replace s3 and ddb is to run some VMs? I don’t blame people for being skeptical

This is great, your suggestion to replace our sovereignly hosted VMs is to run containers in the U.S.A.? I don't blame people for being skeptical

When sovergienty comes at the expense of availability the latter will usually win over the former.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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I am comparing when the respective states last started wars to point out the absurdity of calling modern-day Germany warmongers.

They are warmongers. Their tone currently is war. They are investing in war. They are becoming a war nation again.

Again, they haven't started a war in 80 years. It sure seems like a more peaceful bet than the US, which started one like a month ago.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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I am running my startup out of a self build GPU server from our office with a backup to the cloud. I only pay for the IP address as electricity is included in the rent. If the startup fails, Ill have thousand other potential use case for it and in the worst case, it will make for a awesome gaming machine. The machine is a beast and I can serve a lot of users with it. In fact, and quite funnily, I already serve much m…

> The machine is a beast and I can serve a lot of users with it. In fact, and quite funnily, I already serve much more users with it than a lot of my older clients do with their software running on expensive k8s setup because „scale“ :-) Honestly even if you have a single server, running k8s (or maybe Docker Compose for really simple cases) on it is still the simplest way to manage it (assuming you have more than 1 s…

This depends on what you know. Kubernetes is really not that good for me

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Years ago I was making the case that instead of digging ourselves into the Amazon eco-system with S3 storage, EC2 instances, DynamoDB and various other Amazon specific cloud products... we should just host virtual machines and have everything in there using open source products. People looked at me like they saw water burning but that would have made the dependency on the US a lot easier to sever. Just move the VM's.

s3 is kinda hard to replace if you actually use it; the rest is manageable with varying levels of pain

SQS is particularly hard, there are other options, but it has less direct competitors than S3

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Lidl cloud is a resurgence in OpenStack?

I used to have quite a few customer hosted at Rackspace in the early 2010’s and I always thought it sad they dropped the ball when they got bought out by private investment and they fired most of the talent. I loved their API and the docs were really good.

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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The missing background piece is that the European Commission awarded a 180m EUR sovereign cloud contract to 4 European providers [0]. This framework agreement made the choice of national banks a lot more straight forward. [0] https://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/commission-...

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Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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Do people actually take claims like that from glorified salesmen seriously? If a car salesman told me I could save 50% of my fuel bill from driving their special car a certain way I'd laugh at them.

You'd be wrong to laugh at them, because different cars of the same general size can indeed vary 50% or more in fuel efficiency. It's fair to be skeptical of promises of huge savings, and question why your counterparty would benefit from giving you those savings, but sometimes there's a good reason.

Name one example of a 2026 car with the same size, fuel type and class where the difference in mileage is >=50%

I have a very hard time believing this, especially with fuel economy and emission regulations

Re: Dutch central bank ditches AWS and chooses Lidl for European Cloud

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This is great, your suggestion to replace s3 and ddb is to run some VMs? I don’t blame people for being skeptical

Yea, op just handwaved away all scalability. Guessing their response would be 'launch more vms'.

Why does the Dutch Central Bank need scalability?
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